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Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:19 am to DecaturAU
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Maryland, Boston College, St. John's... They were all good very recently and now look at them.
They were all good for many years.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:20 am to DecaturAU
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They were all good very recently and now look at them.
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St. John's
they were?
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Maryland
lost legendary coach
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Boston College
lost Skinner
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:21 am to bona fide
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guess what, most underarmour programs sucked long before they signed up.
Key word is MOST and the ones that were good suck arse now.
There is a reason the good basketball schools aren't turning to Under Armour.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:21 am to MrAUTigers
Boston College and St. John's hasn't consistently been good for a long while now.
Maryland replaced a legendary coach for their program, a step back is all but a given in that situation.
But let's blame the shoes and shite.
Maryland replaced a legendary coach for their program, a step back is all but a given in that situation.
But let's blame the shoes and shite.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:23 am to DecaturAU
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St. John's
They were not good before Under Armour. Had made the Tournament once in the decade before UA deal and it was years before. Under UA they will make the tourny for the first time in years and signed a 5* player
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Maryland
Losing a legendary coach. Look at teams like Indiana, Arizona before Sean Miller, UCLA right now and those are bluebloods. Maryland is not a blueblood program
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Boston College
They were on a decline since the ending of the Skinner years. They were bad before the UA deal and were supposed to turn it around this year.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:24 am to BuccWildBammer
A school like Auburn will probably go back to the established and/or recycled HC route again, after the Barbee/Super Asst HC/Recruiter route has failed.
But, I think it is the wrong way to go. Just hiring a great HC on his last hitch is somewhat rental..not really longterm program building in nature. Unless intending say a foundation by say Norm Sloan given to Lon Kruger and passing the torch to a Donovan..requires some luck coupled to much potential, to even have it work out so well.
A school like Auburn needs to find it's next Sonny Smith. Misfires or not, Sweet 16ish and Final 8ish programs like Bama and Aub, weren't wrong to try young men on the climb like Grant and Barbee. They just didn't get lucky enough to get the Gregg Marshall or Sean Miller type hit hires.
Both of which Marshall/Miller, were smart enough to have climbed via true basketball schools and/or conferences, as Assts and HCs.
But, I think it is the wrong way to go. Just hiring a great HC on his last hitch is somewhat rental..not really longterm program building in nature. Unless intending say a foundation by say Norm Sloan given to Lon Kruger and passing the torch to a Donovan..requires some luck coupled to much potential, to even have it work out so well.
A school like Auburn needs to find it's next Sonny Smith. Misfires or not, Sweet 16ish and Final 8ish programs like Bama and Aub, weren't wrong to try young men on the climb like Grant and Barbee. They just didn't get lucky enough to get the Gregg Marshall or Sean Miller type hit hires.
Both of which Marshall/Miller, were smart enough to have climbed via true basketball schools and/or conferences, as Assts and HCs.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:24 am to TiggerWoods
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Key word is MOST and the ones that were good suck arse now.
Utah and Temple disagree. They have had a resurgence under UA and both were very very bad before UA.
As pointed out by everyone none of the "Basketball schools" were good before UA that are doing worse than expected given situation
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:26 am to TiggerWoods
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Key word is MOST and the ones that were good suck arse now.
ones you listed as good is false. really, you have StJohns listed, 1 NCAA in last 13 years.
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There is a reason the good basketball schools aren't turning to Under Armour
yep, $$$$
not sure you're even trying to understand.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:27 am to GenesChin
Ok well let me reverse it on you and look at it a different way... Will a school with a major basketball program ever switch to Under Armour? Like say Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, etc. Those are all schools that are basically basketball only.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:27 am to DaleDenton
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Boston College and St. John's hasn't consistently been good for a long while now.
Maryland replaced a legendary coach for their program, a step back is all but a given in that situation.
But let's blame the shoes and shite.
St. John's is ranked #7 in all-time wins in D1 college basketball.
BC has been in the tourney 7 times since 2000.
It's not the shoes dumbass. It's the Nike AAU connection.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 12:28 am
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:29 am to MrAUTigers
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St. John's is ranked #7 in all-time wins in D1 college basketball.
That's what being a great program in the 80s when they used to compete with John Thompson and Georgetown will get you
Here is a LINKto a list of seasons. If you notice, from 2000-2012 before they signed with UA, St Johns made the tournament only twice. This year they likely will make it
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BC has been in the tourney 7 times since 2000.
They lost Skinner, the coach who did all that for them. Just like Maryland lost Gary Williams. Hard to recover
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 12:31 am
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:29 am to MrAUTigers
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:31 am to MrAUTigers
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It's the Nike AAU connection.
So you need a coach who can recruit only via the dirty in the shadows nature of the Nike AAU circuit?
Not a coach who can identify, sign, and develop talent?
Just shut the program down so you will not do harm to the rest of the SEC's RPI and SOS every year...
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:32 am to bona fide
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ones you listed as good is false. really, you have StJohns listed, 1 NCAA in last 13 years.
I didn't list them but I'm fairly sure they have a good history.
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yep, $$$$
not sure you're even trying to understand.
That and Nike AAU coaches are known to push their players to schools who are sponsored by Nike. Basketball recruiting is dirtier than football, AAU and their sponsors is a big reason for that.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:33 am to DaleDenton
It is like some of my fellow AU fans think that moving to Nike or Adidas will magically let us recruit this elite level talent.
On top of that, it isn't as big a deal as they think. Plenty of teams do just fine with UA
On top of that, it isn't as big a deal as they think. Plenty of teams do just fine with UA
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:33 am to DaleDenton
Like Bert did in football this year?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:34 am to TiggerWoods
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I didn't list them but I'm fairly sure they have a good history.
A good history before I was born
My Grandpa was a Georgetown alum and professor, tells me of those days when they had a rivalry before St Johns sucked. quote:
That and Nike AAU coaches are known to push their players to schools who are sponsored by Nike. Basketball recruiting is dirtier than football, AAU and their sponsors is a big reason for that.
Not as big a deal as you think
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:35 am to DaleDenton
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So you need a coach who can recruit only via the dirty in the shadows nature of the Nike AAU circuit?
Not a coach who can identify, sign, and develop talent?
Just shut the program down so you will not do harm to the rest of the SEC's RPI and SOS every year...
The vast majority of the good HS players play AAU ball. It's not that hard to understand. If you have grown up wearing Jordan's/Nike, you aren't going to want to wear UA. Any player Auburn is recruiting is being recruited by a handful of Nike schools. Now if you want to "buy" players.......yeah, I am sure it would be easy to get some top tier talent that wants to wear UA shoes.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:35 am to GenesChin
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Maryland is not a blueblood program
How old are you? While your comment is true, if going back to the early 1970s to present, they are in that strong contingent just below The True Kings.
1974 ACC CG was one of NCAA Hoops greatest games ever vs NC St.
1 NCAA crown in 2002, 2 Final 4s, 5 Final 8s, and 13 Sweet 16s..Terrapins are a true bruiser!
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