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Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:58 am to TheRoarRestoredInBR
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:58 am to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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Don't know what grade of recruiter he is, but Fran Dunphy has always struck me as a Pro's Pro as a tactician/HC.
I agree. I think he is a quality HC.
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:59 am to DecaturAU
Butler may well return back to Gonzaga-esque with the right hire. Great arena, hoops city, hoops state, beautiful lil school,etc..
The others you list despite good proxy to hoops talent, lack the staying power, and even more so than Butler, are platform-jumping stages.
The others you list despite good proxy to hoops talent, lack the staying power, and even more so than Butler, are platform-jumping stages.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:03 am to TheRoarRestoredInBR
Well that's sort of my point. There are all just schools that struck gold briefly with the right combination of players. It's not sustainable at those schools. Butler I'll agree on, it can last there. But what I'm saying is you can't point to those schools as say "if they can do it then why can't auburn?". All those teams had players that were huge diamonds in the rough that turned out to be superstars.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:05 am to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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Don't know what grade of recruiter he is, but Fran Dunphy has always struck me as a Pro's Pro as a tactician/HC..his teams always impress and play a tough tourney style ball..
He would fail at any SEC school not named Kentucky.
It isn't because of the brand of uniform used, it is because his style clashes with the available talent in the region for the schools.
Kentucky recruits nationally, Florida to point, but they still recruit to their system.
A school like Auburn isn't going to find the guards who are great jump shoot shooters and ball handlers or the bigs who are fundamentally sound with size to play block to block on a national level.
What is available are athletes, players who have speed with the ball, can run, jump, etc.
The big 10/Sutton slow methodical play is exactly why the SEC is as shitty of conference as it is, too many coaches hired trying push square pegs in round holes.
It isn't a problem that can be solved with x's and o's it is a problem that can only be solved with fundamentals, basketball IQ, and shooting ability, traits that are more easily found in the north than the south.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:06 am to DecaturAU
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Davidson, George Mason, Florida Gulf Coast, Butler,
Butler is a product of great coaching and not a flash in the pan. From (1996-present) Barry Collier's last few years to Brad Steven's last few years, Butler has 16 20+ win seasons, 9 NCAA tourny appearances and 3 NIT tourny appearances along with 2 NCAA runner ups.
Davidson has 5 tournament appearances in hte past decade. Solid for a midmajor
Florida Gulf Coast is basically a community college that had a fast pace game that caught people by surprise. Not sure why they are brought up. George Mason is a nobody too
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:08 am to DecaturAU
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All those teams had players that were huge diamonds in the rough that turned out to be superstars.
You sustain a program by hiring a good coach and paying him what it takes to stay there. It is how Arizona is an elite program. They paid Lute Olsen after he had one of th elongest NCAA tourny streaks in history. He stayed
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:10 am to GenesChin
I agree. I was just pointing out you can't say because _____ had a 2-3 year run then Auburn should. It was a perfect storm for those small schools.
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:10 am to GenesChin
Butler fell off because of a coaching change.
George Mason fell off because of a coaching change, although they were a flash in the pan more than anything.
Same with FGCU, coaching change.
WSU will have the ability to stay competitive, maybe not on their current level, but a consistent tourney team if they are able to do what another mid-major consistent tourney team, Gonzaga, has done, keep their HC.
Marshall takes advantage of recruiting talented players who will not qualify for power conference school play.
George Mason fell off because of a coaching change, although they were a flash in the pan more than anything.
Same with FGCU, coaching change.
WSU will have the ability to stay competitive, maybe not on their current level, but a consistent tourney team if they are able to do what another mid-major consistent tourney team, Gonzaga, has done, keep their HC.
Marshall takes advantage of recruiting talented players who will not qualify for power conference school play.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:12 am to DaleDenton
I want Larry Brown who's out at SMU right now.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:13 am to GenesChin
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You sustain a program by hiring a good coach and paying him what it takes to stay there. It is how Arizona is an elite program. They paid Lute Olsen after he had one of th elongest NCAA tourny streaks in history. He stayed
You have to be committed to being good at basketball, something only Kentucky, Florida, and Arkansas have shown to have the willing and want in this matter.
Every school falls off when replacing a HOF HC unless immediately by another HOF level HC (UNC, UCLA, Kentucky, Arkansas, etc) no school is immune to this, the difference is some schools will not stand for it while others say "oh well, had a good run".
There are far to many schools in the SEC who will say "oh well, had a good run"...
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:13 am to DecaturAU
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It was a perfect storm for those small schools.
There are a number of midmajors that make serious runs at the tournament every year. Typically though, it is through excellent coaching. That is the point I was making.Look at USt Louis who weren't really anybody until they hired a solid coach. Sad he died but he turned that programaround
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:14 am to DecaturAU
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I want Larry Brown who's out at SMU right now.
I want Holly Rowe in my bed tonight, but that isn't going to happen either.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:15 am to GenesChin
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There are a number of midmajors that make serious runs at the tournament every year. Typically though, it is through excellent coaching. That is the point I was making.Look at USt Louis who weren't really anybody until they hired a solid coach. Sad he died but he turned that programaround
They are still a solid program because the coach they hired to replace Majerus brought stability and continuity to the program.
What is sad is Rick wanted the Arkansas job after Heath and Frank wouldn't hire him because he was afraid he would kill over on the job.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:16 am to DaleDenton
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They are still a solid program because the coach they hired to replace Majerus brought stability and continuity to the program.
Even before the change though, what Majerus did for the program was amazing
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:17 am to DaleDenton
Of all the choices you pick Holly Rowe 
And he's at Southern Methodist. It's not like he's at UNC or the NBA
And he's at Southern Methodist. It's not like he's at UNC or the NBA
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:18 am to GenesChin
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Even before the change though, what Majerus did for the program was amazing
He did that at every program he coached at, he was a great coach.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:19 am to DaleDenton
Agreed, I definitely have always viewed Dunphy as an Upper Eastern Seaboard HC..he would't come to the SEC for any dinero or school sans maybe Ky..or maybe maybe Fla(which has a Seaboard sell to it)?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:21 am to DecaturAU
SMU is a better basketball program and school than Auburn.
SMU has committed themselves to basketball, they do have a decent pool of talent surrounding the program.
SMU being the only program outside of Baylor in the state to commit to basketball makes recruiting easy, it is easier to keep talent in state that would normally be going to OkSt, Kansas, etc than it is to bring similar talent from out of state.
You want a good program, find a coach who can take advantage of the talent in Birmingham and other areas of your state and can go get just enough from ATL to supplement them (it isn't like UGA is going to stop you).
SMU has committed themselves to basketball, they do have a decent pool of talent surrounding the program.
SMU being the only program outside of Baylor in the state to commit to basketball makes recruiting easy, it is easier to keep talent in state that would normally be going to OkSt, Kansas, etc than it is to bring similar talent from out of state.
You want a good program, find a coach who can take advantage of the talent in Birmingham and other areas of your state and can go get just enough from ATL to supplement them (it isn't like UGA is going to stop you).
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:23 am to DecaturAU
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And he's at Southern Methodist. It's not like he's at UNC or the NBA
SMU is paying their top assistant 700 grand, no telling what Brown makes with 0 pressure. he's not leaving.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:24 am to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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Agreed, I definitely have always viewed Dunphy as an Upper Eastern Seaboard HC..he would't come to the SEC for any dinero or school sans maybe Ky..or maybe maybe Fla(which has a Seaboard sell to it)?
Its all about the fit.
The fit has everything to do with a coach who can entertain the fanbase with his team made up of realistic talent available to the program until the program can elevate itself to attract talent that will further improve the program.
Florida has had a great fit, that program trended up tremendously.
LSU has a great fit, program is trending up.
Arkansas has a great fit, program is trending up.
Mizzou has a poor fit, program trending down.
Tennessee has a poor fit, program trending down.
aTm has a poor fit, program fell off a cliff.
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