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re: To SC fans, historically what has kept you behind Clemson...
Posted on 6/19/18 at 4:47 pm to Tillman
Posted on 6/19/18 at 4:47 pm to Tillman
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This article debunks the 'Big Switch' theory that Democrats use to whitewash their party's horrible history on race.
Points to Conservative Thinktank publication as "debunking"...
Unfortunately, as a very partisan subject, most of the writing on the subject is either academic (and dry AF) or it sits on a site with some form of bias... So similarly, I can point to many articles that would support the idea... but ultimately you're not going to read it, so what's the point.
Vox does a pretty good job with being *thorough* with their stories... they certainly have a target audience, and therefore a voice... but what they don't short change is details usually...
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"I think we just delivered the South to the Republican Party for a long time to come," President Johnson said shortly after signing the Civil Rights Act, according to his aide Bill Moyers. And indeed, Sen. Strom Thurmond of South Carolina switched his party affiliation from Democratic to Republican specifically for this reason. Yet party loyalties take a long time to shake off, and the shift of white Southerners from being solid Democrats to solid Republicans was in reality more gradual. And while race played an important role in this shift, other issues played roles too. White evangelical Christians became newly mobilized to oppose abortion and take stands on other "culture war" issues, and felt more at home with the conservative party. There was that suspicion of big government and lack of union organization that permeated the region. And talented politicians like Ronald Reagan promised to defend traditional values. Still, Democrats continued to maintain control of the House of Representatives for some time, in large part because of continued support from Southerners, as shown in this map by Jonathan Davis at Arizona State University. But in 1994, the revolution finally arrived, as Republicans took the House for the first time since 1955. And many of the crucial pickups that made that possible came in the South. Republicans have controlled the House for 18 out of the 22 years since then, providing the party an important stronghold in national politics, as Tom Schaller has written. And the party's dominance of the white Southern vote has helped them dominate the region in both local and national elections — while also making the party more attuned to culture concerns of traditionally minded white voters.
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Posted on 6/19/18 at 4:48 pm to Tillman
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My screenname is based on the iconic clock tower building at Clemson which is a symbol of Clemson. I didn't name the building. lol
Why does Clemson have a building named after the biggest racist in the history of South Carolina?
Posted on 6/19/18 at 4:49 pm to fibonaccisquared
Again, they always focus on Strom Thurmond because that was about the only one that switched.
He was the only Senator that switched.
I don't think Thurmond said anything racist or pushed racist policy when he became Republican. He probably switched b/c SC was shifting to the GOP and he wanted to stay electable.
Once the Democrat party caved on civil rights, he had no reason to stick with that party. He didn't come to the GOP b/c of racism.
He was the only Senator that switched.
I don't think Thurmond said anything racist or pushed racist policy when he became Republican. He probably switched b/c SC was shifting to the GOP and he wanted to stay electable.
Once the Democrat party caved on civil rights, he had no reason to stick with that party. He didn't come to the GOP b/c of racism.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 6/19/18 at 4:49 pm to GetCocky11
How the frick is this thread still going? 
Posted on 6/19/18 at 4:49 pm to Tillman
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He was the only Senator that switched.
It's like you can't even fricking read...
Posted on 6/19/18 at 4:49 pm to Tillman
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wasn't SC putting a lot of players in the NFL during the Spurrier years?
It seems like SC was stacked on defense especially back then.
not a much as clemson.
in those years I think we only had one year with 5+ guys picked.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 4:51 pm to GetCocky11
he pushed for a separate agricultural college.
two things are true....Tillman was a racist who also played a big role in the founding of Clemson.
The founding of Clemson can't be described as a bad thing.
two things are true....Tillman was a racist who also played a big role in the founding of Clemson.
The founding of Clemson can't be described as a bad thing.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 6/19/18 at 4:52 pm to Tillman
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two things are true....Tillman was a racist who also played a big role in the founding of Clemson.
Clemson does have a racist legacy, you're right.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 4:52 pm to GetCocky11
So does SC and basically every college in this country. lol
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 6/19/18 at 4:52 pm to OKTGR580
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LSU is above Louisiana. If that counts.
But for how much longer?
Posted on 6/19/18 at 4:54 pm to Tillman
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You must be living under a rock....lol. Trump flew to Alaska in the middle of the night to greet them.
Contrary to what you might believe... I have a life... I work, I have a kid, I follow my football team, I play video games... sometimes a story line may or may not pop up for me. Sometimes I hear about it much later, and I'm ok with that given that their lives and his flight in the middle of the night to Alaska have quite literally zero impact on me personally. I'm very happy for them though... Though I'm not sure why they needed to be released given the president's glowing review of their leadership and how much he loves his people (Koreans).
Pointing to what practically amount to PR stunts as somehow tangible proof that Trump is delivering "wins" is not unique to Trump... he just seems to know how to package it up and sell it to his base a little better than many. It's the showman in him I suppose, given that you eat it up.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 4:55 pm to CarolinaGamecock99
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How the frick is this thread still going?
Posted on 6/19/18 at 4:55 pm to fibonaccisquared
Some white racists might have switched due to other issues. I never denied that.
You previously said GOP and Democratic party switched platforms. That did not happen.
You previously said GOP and Democratic party switched platforms. That did not happen.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 6/19/18 at 4:57 pm to fibonaccisquared
I don't think pointing out it is silly to accuse DJT of racism is the same thing as being a Trump groupie.
Trump's first job is to protect Americans. It is not like he can overthrow the N. Korean dictator.
What did Obama do about him? Lol Trump also got that Virginia college student back even though they had ruined his brain....i don't Obama even tried.
Trump's first job is to protect Americans. It is not like he can overthrow the N. Korean dictator.
What did Obama do about him? Lol Trump also got that Virginia college student back even though they had ruined his brain....i don't Obama even tried.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 6/19/18 at 5:18 pm to Tillman
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You previously said GOP and Democratic party switched platforms. That did not happen.
The GOP literally switched from a party of "big government" (because it benefitted big business interests at the time) to a party of "small government"... Democrats ultimately changed their tune over time... No one said a switch was flipped and one day it was one way and the next day it was the other...
I suppose we're returning back to "intentionally obtuse Tillman"...
Posted on 6/19/18 at 5:22 pm to fibonaccisquared
lol
FDR , LBJ, and other Democratic politicians were for big government. The Democratic has always been fiscally liberal. They have never flipped on that.
That is why Obama and other liberal politicians have praised FDR.
You've provided no evidence that the GOP was the 'big government' party.
The Democratic Party has also never changed regarding racebaiting voters. They just changed the race that they target.
The reason they always call GOP racist is they want to increase minority turnout in elections and to keep minorities close minded to voting for GOP. In my view, this racebaiting is a form of racism.
FDR , LBJ, and other Democratic politicians were for big government. The Democratic has always been fiscally liberal. They have never flipped on that.
That is why Obama and other liberal politicians have praised FDR.
You've provided no evidence that the GOP was the 'big government' party.
The Democratic Party has also never changed regarding racebaiting voters. They just changed the race that they target.
The reason they always call GOP racist is they want to increase minority turnout in elections and to keep minorities close minded to voting for GOP. In my view, this racebaiting is a form of racism.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 6/19/18 at 5:30 pm to Tillman
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Lol Trump also got that Virginia college student back even though they had ruined his brain....i don't Obama even tried.
Well... a) probably shouldn't do dumb shite in a country that you're visiting that is known for some of the worst human rights violations in the modern era... b) Our state department actively sought to have him brought back... Trump then legitimately used his death as a political chit to bring more press to his "momentous" meeting in Singapore.
This appreciation for the North Korean dictator of late is now coming from the same guy who tweeted out: "Otto was tortured beyond belief by North Korea."
And specifically where did I say he *is* racist... Stating that a party line that "proves" he isn't is not the same thing... It just means he's not *not* racist solely due to that thing (or some small subset of things that may differ from other things that he does/says). It's selective hearing... Dems do it with the negatives... GOP is doing the same with the positives... meanwhile still trying to figure shite out here for those of us who hear it all.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 5:33 pm to fibonaccisquared
wow
you justify what NK did to Otto. You don't even know if he was guilty of the charge.
Trump doesn't 'appreciate' the NK dictator. lol He's trying to get the guy to denuke his country.
you justify what NK did to Otto. You don't even know if he was guilty of the charge.
Trump doesn't 'appreciate' the NK dictator. lol He's trying to get the guy to denuke his country.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 6/19/18 at 5:39 pm to Tillman
anybody want to talk about the topic of the thread....why SC is a trash program compared to Clemson?
lol
It is odd that Democrats who complain about Tillman Hall's name then go vote for Tillman's party that still hasn't changed its name despite its horrible rotten no good racist history.
Tillman had no power without the Democratic Party. If he got away with killing black people, that was because of the Democratic Party.
I'm all for changing Tillman Hall and the Democratic party name.
lol
It is odd that Democrats who complain about Tillman Hall's name then go vote for Tillman's party that still hasn't changed its name despite its horrible rotten no good racist history.
Tillman had no power without the Democratic Party. If he got away with killing black people, that was because of the Democratic Party.
I'm all for changing Tillman Hall and the Democratic party name.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 6/19/18 at 5:44 pm to Tillman
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FDR , LBJ, and other Democratic politicians were for big government
Remind me... when were they in office? Then read back a few pages and tell me when I said that initial fundamental shift happened? As I said... it's like you can't fricking read.
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That is why Obama and other liberal politicians have praised FDR.
What on earth does Obama have to do with this conversation? Or Hillary (mentioned in a previous post). We're talking about historical party and current administration... For the life of me, I'll never understand what it is with Trump supporters who can't have a conversation without trying to find a way to point to someone they despise and ultimately try and create a "well it's better than that" mentality...
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You've provided no evidence that the GOP was the 'big government' party.
If you will take a stance that you believe this has never been the case I'll be more than happy to... But I'm not going to waste time if you don't take a definitive stance... otherwise you'll just ignore it like everything else.
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The Democratic Party has also never changed regarding racebaiting voters. They just changed the race that they target.
You won't get much argument from me there... They adapted, much like the GOP did. Not to their benefit IMO.
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The reason they always call GOP racist is because the majority of racist talking points and policies that are put forth come from that party...
FIFY...
Look man... You can deny it all you want, but the vast majority of *actually* racist people are supporters of the GOP. That doesn't make *you* or anyone else racist just *because* they support the GOP, but acting like there is no connection is ridiculous.
For a counterpoint to the idea that racism is isolated to southerners or that the south is somehow "more" racist, this was a pretty decent article: LINK
But be that as it may, there is no denying or unentangling at this point the connection between the GOP and those oh, so public racists that the South has become known for. Trump made no attempt to dissociate from them, nor do most Republicans... because ultimately, their campaign donations spend just as good, and their votes count just as much... So long as it doesn't cost them elsewhere... keep em coming... right?
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