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re: "To God be the glory"
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:06 pm to cardboardboxer
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:06 pm to cardboardboxer
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Because if so that sucks. I mean I am ready for it, I too have read Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth. But the fact that we can't talk about a good basketball coach because he mentioned God sucks.
I agree.
frick both believers and non-believers. frick all of you.
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Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:07 pm to cardboardboxer
Yes, Athiests are hell bent on hating on a God they don't believe exists
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:10 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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But if you believe all of the things attributed to Jesus in the New Testament were truly said by Jesus, then he's either a mad man/liar or the son of God.
There just isn't really another option. He states it plain as day on multiple occasions.
No. Somebody else states what he said on multiple occasions. Is it unreasonable to suspect that someone may have embellished a tad?
I am just asking you to understand why one may question, given the facts. That's all.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:11 pm to cardboardboxer
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"Oh and Mr. Roger Klarvin, I just want you to know I read SEC Rant and I have been eating take-out Chipotle all week for flavoring."
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:12 pm to Old Sarge
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First words out of Coach Kennedys mouth, he is all class
And the down voters on here need to go jump in the lake (of fire)!
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:16 pm to Old Sarge
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Please cite examples of your phenomenon
If this thread makes it until I'm home tonight, and I remember, I'll show you. I don't claim to be a biblical scholar, so I can't recite them off the top of my head. But, I do have sources.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:20 pm to Old Sarge
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That statement is complete nonsense
It's hyperbole but the general point is accurate. Mark, the first gospel, portrays Jesus almost exclusively as a human and the original text ends with the women finding the tomb empty with no resurrection account (it was added in later manuscripts of Mark about 50 years later). Matthew and Luke then clearly build on this story and add many supernatural acts to his ministry, and then the final gospel John is where he is portrayed as a full blown deity with superhero powers.
Even Christian biblical scholars don't deny that the gospels are largely built upon each other and not completely independent texts.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:20 pm to Old Sarge
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Yes, Athiests are hell bent on hating on a God they don't believe exists
That really does rub me the wrong way, which is why I am getting upset. I have always said it is the damn atheists that are making America/The World such a hostile place to science.
Like take for example evolution. There is NO fricking reason scientists couldn't play ball with God when it comes to evolution. Pat the churchy people on the head and say "yah, I guess God created the universe THROUGH evolution" and all that "intelligent design" bullshite never gets made up.
But NOOOOO, evolution was seen as a way by scientists to be liberated from Churchiness, liberated from God. From the start scientists created a rift between religion and science that shouldn't be there because they were TOO fricking glad to rub something that MAYBE proved God didn't exist in the faces of people who cling to God. They were assholes and today we all pay the price.
Now scientist might say "It isn't our job to placate the religious, they started it with being assholes to scientists." And in a way, they wouldn't be wrong. In a perfect world the scientific merit of science should stand on its own. But we don't live in a perfect world, and quite frankly I hold the supposed "smart" scientists to a higher standard. The person with an IQ of 80 can cling to God all he wants in my opinion, that allows him to rationalize a world he can't understand. Scientists should know better.
We have people who outright reject pretty solid scientific theories or block their kids from getting into needed STEM careers because the "smart" guy said their religion was stupid. Damn smarty pants scientists like Bill Nye don't realize that every time they mock Christians they are basically robbing scientific grants (voted on by religiously congresspeople) out of MILLIONS of dollars.
It makes me really really angry, and it makes the world a shitter place.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:24 pm to Old Sarge
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Matthew
Mark
Luke
John
Most likely order
Mark was the first gospel to be composed and has been recognized as such by scholars since the late 19th century. Church tradition got that one wrong, and in fact the only scholars who still hold to Matthew bring the first do so specifically to avoid the problem of gospel progression.
Once Mark is established as being first, it's very clear it was the basis for the others.
This post was edited on 3/21/16 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:25 pm to cardboardboxer
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That really does rub me the wrong way, which is why I am getting upset. I have always said it is the damn atheists that are making America/The World such a hostile place to science.
Like take for example evolution. There is NO fricking reason scientists couldn't play ball with God when it comes to evolution. Pat the churchy people on the head and say "yah, I guess God created the universe THROUGH evolution" and all that "intelligent design" bullshite never gets made up.
But NOOOOO, evolution was seen as a way by scientists to be liberated from Churchiness, liberated from God. From the start scientists created a rift between religion and science that shouldn't be there because they were TOO fricking glad to rub something that MAYBE proved God didn't exist in the faces of people who cling to God. They were assholes and today we all pay the price.
Now scientist might say "It isn't our job to placate the religious, they started it with being assholes to scientists." And in a way, they wouldn't be wrong. In a perfect world the scientific merit of science should stand on its own. But we don't live in a perfect world, and quite frankly I hold the supposed "smart" scientists to a higher standard. The person with an IQ of 80 can cling to God all he wants in my opinion, that allows him to rationalize a world he can't understand. Scientists should know better.
We have people who outright reject pretty solid scientific theories or block their kids from getting into needed STEM careers because the "smart" guy said their religion was stupid. Damn smarty pants scientists like Bill Nye don't realize that every time they mock Christians they are basically robbing scientific grants (voted on by religiously congresspeople) out of MILLIONS of dollars.
It makes me really really angry, and it makes the world a shitter place.
Could not have said it better myself.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:32 pm to KaiserSoze99
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:38 pm to cardboardboxer
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That really does rub me the wrong way, which is why I am getting upset. I have always said it is the damn atheists that are making America/The World such a hostile place to science.
Like take for example evolution. There is NO fricking reason scientists couldn't play ball with God when it comes to evolution. Pat the churchy people on the head and say "yah, I guess God created the universe THROUGH evolution" and all that "intelligent design" bullshite never gets made up.
But NOOOOO, evolution was seen as a way by scientists to be liberated from Churchiness, liberated from God. From the start scientists created a rift between religion and science that shouldn't be there because they were TOO fricking glad to rub something that MAYBE proved God didn't exist in the faces of people who cling to God. They were assholes and today we all pay the price.
Now scientist might say "It isn't our job to placate the religious, they started it with being assholes to scientists." And in a way, they wouldn't be wrong. In a perfect world the scientific merit of science should stand on its own. But we don't live in a perfect world, and quite frankly I hold the supposed "smart" scientists to a higher standard. The person with an IQ of 80 can cling to God all he wants in my opinion, that allows him to rationalize a world he can't understand. Scientists should know better.
We have people who outright reject pretty solid scientific theories or block their kids from getting into needed STEM careers because the "smart" guy said their religion was stupid. Damn smarty pants scientists like Bill Nye don't realize that every time they mock Christians they are basically robbing scientific grants (voted on by religiously congresspeople) out of MILLIONS of dollars.
It makes me really really angry, and it makes the world a shitter place.
I'm going to have to disagree somewhat. I understand your point, but I think the "angry atheists" are a reaction of the past 60 years of SOME christians trying to undermine the constitution and retard science. So, while a lot of atheists' reactions may exacerbate the problem, you can hardly say they created it.
This post was edited on 3/21/16 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:39 pm to Roger Klarvin
Roger to say that you are exaggerating and using fabricated athiest talking points
Is the understatement of the year
Is the understatement of the year
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:42 pm to Teague
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I'm going to have to disagree somewhat. I understand your point, but I think the "angry atheists" are a reaction of the past 60 years of SOME christians trying to undermine the constitution and retard science. So, while a lot of atheists' reactions may exacerbate the problem, you can hardly say they created it.
The "angry atheists" are trying to force religious people to stop being religious. You know they are. Neither side is tolerant. Both sides have been trying to control the other. It's pure jackassery and nothing more than a power struggle.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:45 pm to Roger Klarvin
Don't forget about all the "gospels" that the Catholic Church refused to canonize and use in the bible. All the records should be considered.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:47 pm to Old Sarge
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you are exaggerating and using fabricated athiest talking points
Read them for yourself, nothing I said was inaccurate. You can debate the significance but it isn't fabricated.
This post was edited on 3/21/16 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:50 pm to cardboardboxer
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That really does rub me the wrong way, which is why I am getting upset. I have always said it is the damn atheists that are making America/The World such a hostile place to science. Like take for example evolution. There is NO fricking reason scientists couldn't play ball with God when it comes to evolution. Pat the churchy people on the head and say "yah, I guess God created the universe THROUGH evolution" and all that "intelligent design" bullshite never gets made up. But NOOOOO, evolution was seen as a way by scientists to be liberated from Churchiness, liberated from God. From the start scientists created a rift between religion and science that shouldn't be there because they were TOO fricking glad to rub something that MAYBE proved God didn't exist in the faces of people who cling to God. They were assholes and today we all pay the price. Now scientist might say "It isn't our job to placate the religious, they started it with being assholes to scientists." And in a way, they wouldn't be wrong. In a perfect world the scientific merit of science should stand on its own. But we don't live in a perfect world, and quite frankly I hold the supposed "smart" scientists to a higher standard. The person with an IQ of 80 can cling to God all he wants in my opinion, that allows him to rationalize a world he can't understand. Scientists should know better. We have people who outright reject pretty solid scientific theories or block their kids from getting into needed STEM careers because the "smart" guy said their religion was stupid. Damn smarty pants scientists like Bill Nye don't realize that every time they mock Christians they are basically robbing scientific grants (voted on by religiously congresspeople) out of MILLIONS of dollars. It makes me really really angry, and it makes the world a shitter place
Appeasement does not work with those who fear knowledge. Acquiescence is the most they'll tolerate. Galileo knew.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:56 pm to Kentucker
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Appeasement does not work with those who fear knowledge. Acquiescence is the most they'll tolerate. Galileo knew.
Understanding or acknowledging why they fear knowledge is the key.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:57 pm to Teague
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I think the "angry atheists" are a reaction of the past 60 years of SOME christians trying to undermine the constitution and retard science.
Maybe but two wrongs don't make a right or make them right. In fact, as I said I hold the atheists to a higher standard because the same "logic" they use to deny God could easily help them guess the backlash of their tactics.
I mean at the end of the day the Christians rule the world, and they rule the purse strings. At some point the REASONABLE course of action is to avoid conflict when the collateral damage is the cutting of the funding that slows down the progress of all of humanity.
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So, while a lot of atheists' reactions may exacerbate the problem, you can hardly say they created it.
Oh hell yeah they created it. Many Christians don't want to reject science, in fact they will be more than happy to connect the dots between scientific discovery and their religion if you let them. The problem is swarmy atheists like Bill Nye who as just as closed-minded as the religious people they criticize. They put a "no Goddies allowed" sign on the scientific treehouse and then they have the gall to wonder why the common man wants to chop their tree down.
It was swarmy atheists who took the message of evolution and denied a compatibility with God. Darwin himself said:
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Science has nothing to do with Christ, except insofar as the habit of scientific research makes a man cautious in admitting evidence.
But some assholes wanted to fight fire with fire so we are all worse off. At some point you have to be the bigger man.
An eye for an eye just makes the whole world blind.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 3:07 pm to Kentucker
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Appeasement does not work with those who fear knowledge.
Depends on how you frame it. Scientists are too quick to blame their personal marketing gaffs on the audience who received the message. Framing matters a lot.
The issue is that even the dumbest person alive knows when you are mocking him. Just acting with respect can go a long way, even if it's fake respect.
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