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re: The SEC will be a good offensive conference next season
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:03 pm to MontyFranklyn
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:03 pm to MontyFranklyn
It's all about the QB play. Lots of teams in the league feel a lot better about that position heading into 2017 than they did 2016. I'm thinking the following schools must be feeling good about their QB next year:
Arkansas
Miss State
Auburn
Alabama
Ole Miss
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
South Carolina
Georgia
Missouri
Arkansas
Miss State
Auburn
Alabama
Ole Miss
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
South Carolina
Georgia
Missouri
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Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:05 pm to MontyFranklyn
Agreed it should be much better than this season. Was never looking good coming into this season
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:08 pm to Bham Bammer
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It's all about the QB play. Lots of teams in the league feel a lot better about that position heading into 2017 than they did 2016. I'm thinking the following schools must be feeling good about their QB next year:
Arkansas
Miss State
Auburn
Alabama
Ole Miss
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
South Carolina
Georgia
Missouri
Not sure if trying to troll LSU or not, but if you're going to include UGA, USC, OM and Vandy, you have to include LSU too.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:09 pm to dan765
I think you'll be ok running the ball if the line gets it together. Obviously getting Michel or Chubb back would be huge, but Herrian looked damn good to me last year in the limited action I saw him.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:09 pm to thunderbird1100
No, I don't. Those teams have young QBs that still have room for growth. Etling is what he is and probably won't even be the QB for LSU next year.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:13 pm to Bham Bammer
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No, I don't. Those teams have young QBs that still have room for growth. Etling is what he is and probably won't even be the QB for LSU next year.
Kind of like Nathan Peterman at Pitt last year and then this year under Canada?
2015 - 138.57 QB Rating
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2016 - 161.23 QB Rating
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And Eason and Shurmur were awful this season, so im not sure why there's so much hope there. They had the same QB rating as Luke Del Rio.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:16 pm to thunderbird1100
Peterman is a talented player, though. Everybody at Tennessee thought so when he left.
Shurmur was really good down the stretch.
Etling is a solid game manager, and at LSU that's gonna win you some games. It's much better than the total unknowns the last few years for sure.
Shurmur was really good down the stretch.
Etling is a solid game manager, and at LSU that's gonna win you some games. It's much better than the total unknowns the last few years for sure.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:16 pm to thunderbird1100
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And Eason and Shurmur were awful this season, so im not sure why there's so much hope there
I understand Shurmur but I'm not sure how you think Eason doesn't have "much hope"
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:24 pm to rockiee
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I understand Shurmur but I'm not sure how you think Eason doesn't have "much hope"
So what if he was a 5-star, the dude looked horrible this season. Not saying he couldnt get better, but why is there "feel good" there vs. other places that had better and returning QBs? Again, if one is to include Vandy/UGA QB situations, why not LSU's?
This post was edited on 12/14/16 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:28 pm to thunderbird1100
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Again, if one is to include Vandy/UGA QB situations, why not LSU's
I'm not the one who posted that so I can't answer that question
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So what if he was a 5-star, the dude looked horrible this season. Not saying he couldnt get better
You would have a point if he wasn't a true freshman starting.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:36 pm to rockiee
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You would have a point if he wasn't a true freshman starting.
Doesnt matter what he is, he was much worse and is returning, LSU is also returning a QB. If LSU wasn't returning a starting QB, I'd get it. But that's not the situation.
Juniors can improve just like freshmen can. All my point was it's silly to list out teams who had bad QB play as being "feeling good" with those guys returning vs. teams who had better QB play and return them as well.
This post was edited on 12/14/16 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:40 pm to thunderbird1100
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LSU is also returning a QB. If LSU wasn't returning a starting QB, I'd get it. But that's not the situation.
I don't care what he said about LSU's QB. It was just ridiculous to state Eason doesn't have much hope because he played bad as a true freshman. Just because he made a ignorant statement doesn't mean you should as well.
This post was edited on 12/14/16 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 12/14/16 at 2:04 pm to thunderbird1100
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Include LSU too...
So LSU has a Shea Patterson coming back in 2017? Not bashing LSU, but QB is the one area you'll have sucked in recently. We will see if EO can get it turned around. If you'll had a QB in 2016, you'll could have been in playoff discussion
Posted on 12/14/16 at 2:06 pm to TrueReb13
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So LSU has a Shea Patterson coming back in 2017? Not bashing LSU, but QB is the one area you'll have sucked in recently. We will see if EO can get it turned around. If you'll had a QB in 2016, you'll could have been in playoff discussion
Canada has had a pretty efficient passing game despite the mediocre QBs he's had in the past. We don't have any superstar QBs on the roster or coming in most likely, but Canada's system should help.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 2:11 pm to dbuchanon
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Most teams are trending up
Will be interesting
Really?
How quickly we've forgotten...
Auburn still has Gus and Rhett. Stidham might be the Lord and Savior but the past two and a half seasons show a downward trend for the Auburn program.
LSU hired Coach Orgeron who needs to prove he is completely different than his last stint as head coach where he won less than a handful unimpressive SEC games over three seasons.
Arkansas has been mediocre since Bret got there and seemed to have one of their worst teams in the past few years (56-3 anyone?).
Texas A&M has made Sumlin's seat hot because he can't win a game in November.
Ole Miss just lost their veteran quarterback, might get nailed with sanctions, and lost 7 games last season. Their veteran and talented defensive coordinator just retired as well.
Miss State went back to being a basement dweller after the NFL's rookie of the year left.
Tennessee pretty much has a lame duck coach for one more year.
Florida and Georgia mightbe trending up. Florida's at least made it to two SECCG but seemed to do so by default.
South Carolina is trending up but that's not saying much for how bad they were expected to be this year.
Who else? Kentucky? Vanderbilt? Do they really matter if they're trending up?
Posted on 12/14/16 at 2:13 pm to thunderbird1100
Here's my thought process:
Etling has been in college football for four years. He has started 20+ games, he has thousands upon thousands of more hours in the film room, in meetings, on the practice field than the QBs that have been in college for a year or two.
Based on this, I see those younger players as having more room for improvement. Etling is decent, but I'd be way more excited about the upside of all the other QBs I listed. Shurmur is probably lowest on that list, but I think Vandy is pretty happy with what they have, and he played well down the stretch.
LSU's best hope for a big offensive season next year is for a younger QB or a transfer to come in there and take the job from Etling.
Etling has been in college football for four years. He has started 20+ games, he has thousands upon thousands of more hours in the film room, in meetings, on the practice field than the QBs that have been in college for a year or two.
Based on this, I see those younger players as having more room for improvement. Etling is decent, but I'd be way more excited about the upside of all the other QBs I listed. Shurmur is probably lowest on that list, but I think Vandy is pretty happy with what they have, and he played well down the stretch.
LSU's best hope for a big offensive season next year is for a younger QB or a transfer to come in there and take the job from Etling.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 2:28 pm to rockiee
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I don't care what he said about LSU's QB. It was just ridiculous to state Eason doesn't have much hope because he played bad as a true freshman. Just because he made a ignorant statement doesn't mean you should as well.
I was using his own logic against him...
Posted on 12/14/16 at 2:32 pm to Bham Bammer
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Here's my thought process:
Etling has been in college football for four years. He has started 20+ games, he has thousands upon thousands of more hours in the film room, in meetings, on the practice field than the QBs that have been in college for a year or two.
Based on this, I see those younger players as having more room for improvement. Etling is decent, but I'd be way more excited about the upside of all the other QBs I listed. Shurmur is probably lowest on that list, but I think Vandy is pretty happy with what they have, and he played well down the stretch.
LSU's best hope for a big offensive season next year is for a younger QB or a transfer to come in there and take the job from Etling.
Dont have to look any further than Canada taking Peterman to new heights this year as a 5th year senior from his 4th year junior season. In fact Peterman's 4th year junior season is VERY close to Etling's. He made a massive improvement in his 5th year. I also remember another guy by the name of Zach Mettenberger making a huge improvement from his 4th year junior season to 5th year senior season (2012->2013).
All I'm pointing out is juniors can make massive improvements too. Not even saying Etling will definitely start, just saying pointing out saying schools like UGA/Vandy "feel good" about their QB situation but a school who returns a better QB from last season "doesn't", really doesn't make any sense, just because that QB is a class or two older than the others.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 2:39 pm to thunderbird1100
I could line up 100 non-LSU fans and ask them to pick Etling or Eason and they'd all pick Eason and you know it. Hell, probably 95 out of 100 LSU fans would pick Eason.
Vandy has a different mindset than LSU. They aren't expecting to play in NY6 games. Everything is relative.
Vandy has a different mindset than LSU. They aren't expecting to play in NY6 games. Everything is relative.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 2:51 pm to Bham Bammer
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I could line up 100 non-LSU fans and ask them to pick Etling or Eason and they'd all pick Eason and you know it. Hell, probably 95 out of 100 LSU fans would pick Eason.
None of that matters, the logic you used just doesnt make sense. You cant sit here and say one team feels great about a poor QB returning while another team doesn't about a what was a better QB returning. Whether you want to throw in whatever opinion you want, the logic just doesn't make sense.
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