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re: The myth of the phantom Georgia touchdown
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:34 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:34 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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It's the first one I found. If the NCAA is different, then I'll say I was wrong.
I don't know, I quit watching the NFL over 10 years ago.
Based on what I've seen, the problem seems to be about going over/beyond the neutral zone. So like in the Tennessee game I clearly saw an Alabama player in the neutral zone before the snap. But he was honestly slow to get up on the snap and he never went beyond the neutral zone.
Also if a defensive player moves into the neutral zone before the snap and causes the offensive player to react, it can be a penalty.
Offensive players however can not line up in the neutral zone, except for the center.
This post was edited on 10/23/25 at 12:36 pm
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Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:35 pm to Darth_Vader
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LMAO. No. The ball is still in the center’s grasp and firmly on the ground. Literally both lines are still down in their stands. Any blurring you see is because it’s a picture of a paused video.
The right guards hand is off the ground, so either the ball is being snapped or Auburn should have been called for Illegal Procedure.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:36 pm to Darth_Vader
And if you show the frame one second later the GA D line moves back
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:38 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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What is wild is that they then called offsides on UGA's next drive and I don't think it was even close. Player definitely is moving before the snap, but he started so far behind the LOS he never even gets tot he neutral zone before the snap. I believe that was a 3rd down too, can't remember. Trying to find the clip of it. It is the absolute 0-100 inconsistencies that is what truly makes these games so bad. Missed calls happen. Calling things one way and then not using that same standard later is a much bigger issue.
After some research I think I have the actual answer for this.
1. Offensive players except for the center can NOT be in the neutral zone before the snap. EVER.
2. Defensive players CAN be in the neutral zone before the snap, and it's not a penalty. However, if they go beyond the neutral zone, then it's an offsides penalty.
3. If a defensive player is outside the neutral zone and jumps into the neutral zone, causing the offensive player to react, then it is a penalty.
My final verdict: Georgia was NOT guilty of any penalty for being in the neutral zone as the OP claims. Georgia should have been given a TD for the play.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:49 pm to Darth_Vader
Fine, 20-17 Dawgs. You feel better now?
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:50 pm to aspiclark
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they havent won a game in a month and a half, have only beaten one ranked team in like 4 years, and their coach is a literal pedophile.
let em have it man, they need this.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:50 pm to 3down10
Missing an important piece to your points though. If they are in the neutral zone at the time of the snap, they are offsides. A defensive player can go into the neutral zone but has to get out of it before the snap. That is why centers snap the ball when they see a defender jump.
If a defender or offensive player is lined up in the neutral zone and the ball is snapped, it is offsides.
If a defender or offensive player is lined up in the neutral zone and the ball is snapped, it is offsides.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:57 pm to Darth_Vader
Well to start with is this a look down the line?
I’d invite you to look more closely at it. It looks like it’s just ahead of it, which at a slight angle (which it appears to be) you cannot tell if the Georgia player is lined up offsides or not.
Look at where the official is standing on the far sideline.
I’d invite you to look more closely at it. It looks like it’s just ahead of it, which at a slight angle (which it appears to be) you cannot tell if the Georgia player is lined up offsides or not.
Look at where the official is standing on the far sideline.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:58 pm to KirbyYourEnthusiasm
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Fine, 20-17 Dawgs. You feel better now?
I’m guessing there were a lot of gamblers who would have been happier with that score but shite happens
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:58 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Missing an important piece to your points though. If they are in the neutral zone at the time of the snap, they are offsides. A defensive player can go into the neutral zone but has to get out of it before the snap. That is why centers snap the ball when they see a defender jump.
If a defender or offensive player is lined up in the neutral zone and the ball is snapped, it is offsides.
If that is the case it's not being called over and over and it wasn't just this specific play.
I'm confused as well because I thought that was, but again I'm seeing it over and over.
The only other thing I can think of is the center often moves the ball a little forward, but that's only a few inches, not feet.
I don't watch all the games, but are you seeing it called any time?
This post was edited on 10/23/25 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 10/23/25 at 1:02 pm to 3down10
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The only other thing I can think of is the center often moves the ball a little forward, but that's only a few inches, not feet.
1. The image in the OP is not down the line of scrimmage, it's at an angle. Look at the down marker.
2. The Center clearly moves the ball forward, as shown in the video on the second page of this thread.
This post was edited on 10/23/25 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 10/23/25 at 1:12 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
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The Center clearly moves the ball forward, as shown in the video on the second page of this thread
Basically every center does this, especially at the goal line. It’s also probably indirectly why a lot of defensive neutral zone infractions don’t get called. The refs let the center do that because it doesn’t make any difference in the play itself, but they also can’t call offsides on the defense if that minor extra-legal reset of the neutral zone causes them to be a couple inches offsides.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 1:14 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
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1. The image in the OP is not down the line of scrimmage, it's at an angle. Look at the down marker.
But the camera is to the left of the line, which would make the Georgia players appear further away.
If the camera is the right of the line, then it would make the Georgia players appear closer.
I don't think this is a good argument.
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2. The Center clearly moves the ball forward, as shown in the video on the second page of this thread.
I mean this is very common. I played center and you always move the ball around. It could be this, but that would be a large move.
But going back to my other post, the image in the OP only shows them in the neutral zone before the snap, and that's not a penalty.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 1:27 pm to 3down10
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But the camera is to the left of the line
Huh? How is the camera to the left of the line if the down marker is also to the left in the picture?
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I mean this is very common. I played center and you always move the ball around. It could be this, but that would be a large move.
Watch the video on the second page of the thread. But again, the camera is on an angle, so you're not going to be able to determine how far the Center moved the ball (aside from the fact that he clearly moves it forward, which is a penalty, regardless of how common it is).
Posted on 10/23/25 at 1:35 pm to 3down10
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If that is the case it's not being called over and over and it wasn't just this specific play.
Correct, which the post I originally responded to specifically points out and my post is a comment on how inconsistant the rule is being applied.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 1:39 pm to 3down10
quote:Are you looking at the players relative to the center’s helmet?
But the camera is to the left of the line, which would make the Georgia players appear further away.
If you are, stop and think about that.
You are correct about the neutral zone
Posted on 10/23/25 at 2:14 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
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Huh? How is the camera to the left of the line if the down marker is also to the left in the picture?
hmmm, that's a good point. I think you are right now that I look at it more.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 2:16 pm to 3down10
It's definitely something defenders can probably get away with but this one is egregious with multiple players not even in the neutral zone but fully offside.
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