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re: The Lost Year: Houston Nutt, Gus Malzahn, Mitch Mustain (Article Link Inside)
Posted on 7/19/13 at 12:07 pm to DaleDenton
Posted on 7/19/13 at 12:07 pm to DaleDenton
Was it 2000 or 1999 when we had to bring in Rutledge from the intramural squad? Nothing against Rutledge but I remember thinking "how in the hell did we get in this position"? ...and Rutledge was pretty decent. To me, it seemed like we were ALWAYS having some type of crisis with Nutt and he ALWAYS had an excuse.
Even when we got rid of him I'm thinking "damn what a relief" but not for me because Ole Miss is my second favorite team. So I'm thinking, "surely the mf has learned his lesson and won't make the same mistakes. But hell no. He had to do the same old shite to them. It's not like they hadn't already been through the ringer with "Red Bull" or anything.
Even when we got rid of him I'm thinking "damn what a relief" but not for me because Ole Miss is my second favorite team. So I'm thinking, "surely the mf has learned his lesson and won't make the same mistakes. But hell no. He had to do the same old shite to them. It's not like they hadn't already been through the ringer with "Red Bull" or anything.
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Posted on 7/19/13 at 12:13 pm to joeyb147
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Dumb. As. frick. Like. Normal.
Tulsa finished 5th in the country in rushing offense in 2008 (268 ypg). You know, when Malzahn was running his Air Raid offense like you claimed. In 2007, they finished 41st. However,
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He didn't run a spread option power running game in HS like he did with Cam at Auburn, he didn't run it at Tulsa
wat
Posted on 7/19/13 at 12:24 pm to Porky
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Was it 2000 or 1999 when we had to bring in Rutledge from the intramural squad? Nothing against Rutledge but I remember thinking "how in the hell did we get in this position"? ...and Rutledge was pretty decent. To me, it seemed like we were ALWAYS having some type of crisis with Nutt and he ALWAYS had an excuse.
I do not recall the exact year, Stoerner was injured when he was left in during a blow-out against ULM in 99.
The whole intramural deal is somewhat false, it really picked up steam on sites like HiV to use against Nutt's QB development and recruiting, stating he had to go "to the intramural fields to find a QB".
The truth is Rutledge was on the team the prior year, just buried on the depth chart, he had given up football but stayed in school and did play intramurals the following year, but it wasn't like Nutt was scouting the intramural fields for talent like it is portrayed.
Posted on 7/19/13 at 12:37 pm to undecided
I was actually a big supporter of Nutt during that season. When you have a freshman QB and DMC, Felix, and Hillis at HB, you run the ball....a lot. Nutt made the right call in limiting Malzahn. Gus made the right call in heading to Tulsa. Mustain made a horrible decision to transfer to USC. If you are going to transfer, you only really get one shot so you better go somewhere where you will be the guaranteed starter.
Posted on 7/19/13 at 1:31 pm to DaleDenton
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The truth is Rutledge was on the team the prior year, just buried on the depth chart, he had given up football but stayed in school and did play intramurals the following year, but it wasn't like Nutt was scouting the intramural fields for talent like it is portrayed.
I remembered Rutledge having been on the team and I was glad he was able to fill in. I just remember being really frustrated with Hootie over various things during that time like his recruiting, etc. and then here comes Matt Jones. Shawn Andrews was a blessing as well. And after Matt Jones leaves, fortunately for Hootie, DMAC and company saved his job for another 3 years.
Posted on 7/19/13 at 1:40 pm to Monticello
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I was actually a big supporter of Nutt during that season. When you have a freshman QB and DMC, Felix, and Hillis at HB, you run the ball....a lot. Nutt made the right call in limiting Malzahn. Gus made the right call in heading to Tulsa. Mustain made a horrible decision to transfer to USC. If you are going to transfer, you only really get one shot so you better go somewhere where you will be the guaranteed starter.
I remember Malzahn talking about making the best of the talent you have with an offense, whatever the talent. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think Nutt had to sell that to him. And I think hat's one of his strengths...making the best of what's available. What Nutt limited was the HUNH strategy and giving Malzahn full authority with calling plays.
I have never understood why Mustain chose USC other than a fellow teammate from Springdale was transferring there.
This post was edited on 7/19/13 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 7/19/13 at 1:53 pm to pankReb
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won 2 more SECW titles than Petrino did....
The first time Nutt went to the SECCG Alabama was on probation or they would have gone.
Nutt was at Arkansas for 10 years and earned one trip. In addition, Ford left him a ton of talent. Petrino was there for 4 years and inherited a trainwreck. We'll never know if he would have been able to win a championship, but I don't think there's any question who's the better coach.
Posted on 7/19/13 at 1:53 pm to Porky
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I remembered Rutledge having been on the team and I was glad he was able to fill in. I just remember being really frustrated with Hootie over various things during that time like his recruiting, etc. and then here comes Matt Jones. Shawn Andrews was a blessing as well. And after Matt Jones leaves, fortunately for Hootie, DMAC and company saved his job for another 3 years.
Yeah, but Brashears did have all the accolades like Mustain, just was a mental head case who went bust. Then he had Clarke (SP? tore it up at UCA), Tavarious Jackson along that time too at QB, it was so much recruiting the position as it was knowing what to do with them once they got there.
He also forgot how to use the tight end in the passing game, Jason Peters playing TE comes to mind, after Joe Dean graduated.
His offensive philosophy will work, it is the same as Saban and CBB likes, he is correct in that it is easier to find a game changer at RB than it is at QB. The difference for Saban and 2Bs has been their use of the tightend in the running and passing game, Saban has had the advantage of recruiting great WRs, the use and talent at WR and TE is the difference between Nutt's anemic offenses here and Saban's and Bert's at their past schools.
Gus was brought in to fix these problems, mainly at TE, the talent was there with Cleveland, but it never really got of the ground as it should, and it wasn't necessarily from Nutt not allowing it to happen, more of Gus' idea to fix the passing game was only 4+ WR sets in the HUNH, while Nutt thought it should be fixable in the 2-3 WR sets or specifically out of the I.
Gus did learn from his failures here and improved his coaching ability while at Tulsa.
Posted on 7/19/13 at 1:56 pm to PorkyPig
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Nutt was at Arkansas for 10 years and earned one trip.
He earned two trips, Ms. State held the tie-breaker after playing a weaker schedule and the refs calling a missed FG good to give them the game in 98.
98 and 2006 were both years where Nutt could have won the SEC and possibly played for a MNC, he squandered both.
Petrino was never in contention for either, the way he recruited for defense, the outlook didn't look great.
Posted on 7/19/13 at 1:59 pm to DaleDenton
quote:What's the Lashlee guy like?
DaleDenton
The reason why I ask, is that as a head coach at a program of Auburn's size and level Gus won't have the luxury of zoning in so closely to just the offensive playbook. He's gonna have a lot of irons in the fire at a HC at a big time SEC school. He'll have to depend heavily on his OC I would think.
Posted on 7/19/13 at 2:07 pm to DaleDenton
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He earned two trips, Ms. State held the tie-breaker after playing a weaker schedule and the refs calling a missed FG good to give them the game in 98. 98 and 2006 were both years where Nutt could have won the SEC and possibly played for a MNC, he squandered both. Petrino was never in contention for either, the way he recruited for defense, the outlook didn't look great.
Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but bad calls are part of the game, therefore he earned 1 trip. Also, I wouldn't put the Stoernover at Nutt's feet but I agree the '98 MSU game was a clusterfrick (was that the drunk kicker game?).
As far as Petrino, we won 10 games one year and 11 the next with a shitty defense, so who's to say whether on not we could win a championship? No question his defensive recruiting was lacking, however.
Posted on 7/19/13 at 2:08 pm to RT1941
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What's the Lashlee guy like?
He played for Gus in HS @ Shiloh.
He put up stats while in HS, but never was a threat to start at Arkansas, and I do not recall him ever playing, to be honest.
Posted on 7/19/13 at 2:10 pm to DaleDenton
He backed up Matt Jones and hurt his shoulder ending his playing career.
GA at Arky 2006
GA at Tulsa 2007-08
GA at AU 2009-2010
OC at Samford 2011
OC at Arky St 2012
OC at AU present
GA at Arky 2006
GA at Tulsa 2007-08
GA at AU 2009-2010
OC at Samford 2011
OC at Arky St 2012
OC at AU present
Posted on 7/19/13 at 2:11 pm to PorkyPig
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so who's to say whether on not we could win a championship?
Nick Saban.
Hard to get into the SEC-CG or MNCG being blown out by 35+ every year...
Posted on 7/19/13 at 2:12 pm to parkjas2001
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He backed up Matt Jones
So he played WR?
That is where Matt started every game, usually Rutledge (IIRC) was under center for one series, then Matt took over for the rest of the game.
Posted on 7/19/13 at 2:26 pm to parkjas2001
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GA at Arky 2006
GA at Tulsa 2007-08
GA at AU 2009-2010
OC at Samford 2011
OC at Arky St 2012
OC at AU present
He's well acquainted with Gus and his offense from what I understand.
Posted on 7/19/13 at 2:27 pm to Porky
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He's well acquainted with Gus and his offense from what I understand.
Safe to say that is the only offense he konws.
I am sure he will run it one day himself for a eam.
Posted on 7/19/13 at 2:35 pm to parkjas2001
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Safe to say that is the only offense he konws.
I am sure he will run it one day himself for a eam.
I'm not sure about how much he knows about other offenses but he's essentially Gus' protege and before long, he very well may be coaching somewhere as a head coach if he has a lot of success.
I agree with Dale about Gus having learned a lot since having been at Arkansas. I was surprised that he did as well as he did under Hootie with all the distractions. You've probably read about the antics of Theresa, Danny, etc. These 'adults' often played cliquish games like kids in Jr. High.
This post was edited on 7/19/13 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 7/19/13 at 2:39 pm to undecided
Frick Arkansas and Nutt, but frick Mustain even more. Arkansas won the West that year and their O was plenty good. Can 't argue with results.
Posted on 7/19/13 at 2:48 pm to Porky
another former Arkansas walkon QB is a fairly high profile OC... Dowell Loggins was promoted to OC of the Tennessee Titans this offseason. He's pretty young, too.
Certainly someone to keep an eye on down the road... could end up a head coach some day.
Certainly someone to keep an eye on down the road... could end up a head coach some day.
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