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Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:49 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:49 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
quote:It also used to be that when most people feared their creator, there was an additional spiritual deterrent from treating people unjustly. In Christian parlance, there's a doctrine called the Mediatorial Kingship of Christ, which states that Jesus Christ is King and Lord over all nations for the sake of His Church, and if any nation's rulers abused their derived authority from Jesus Christ to abuse those people made in the image of God, they would be eternally accountable for their actions to their maker.
Regardless of what you believe, the rights a citizen of any nation has come from the laws of that nation.
“Inalienable rights” was a turn of phrase used to justify the actions of men as they broke away from their previous nation. Until codified and protected by law, you have no rights.
Laws in a republic are simply those that are agreed upon via an established process by the governed by way of their representatives.
Yes, your rights can be stripped by a government. What keeps them from overreach is the threat of revolt if they break from the will of the majority.
When you reject that God has made us and you reject that the Son of God is our ultimate King, then there is nothing but temporal physical violence to keep you from doing whatever you want.
It was believed that our inalienable rights existed and were inalienable precisely because they came from our creator, and if anyone dared to violate those rights, he would be accountable to that creator.
When you remove God, you remove the notion of inalienable rights and cosmic accountability. Whatever one featherless biped does to another is ultimately meaningless, and cannot be objectively immoral, whether done by an actor of the state or otherwise.
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Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:51 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
quote:The moral law of the God of the Bible, Yahweh. It is imprinted upon the consciences of mankind, who suppresses the truth in unrighteousness, exchanging that truth for a lie, and worshipping that which is created rather than He who has created all things.
Which god is applicable to all?
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:55 pm to FooManChoo
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The moral law of the God of the Bible, Yahweh
69% of humanity disagrees with you. How are you so sure you—and not they—are correct?
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Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:57 pm to FooManChoo
Why can't we all just agree that most religions are just exercises in mankind trying to make sense of their existence?
There's nothing wrong with realizing that there may not be a all-powerful being. More than likely aliens exist, if they did not have the exact same scripture and religion as Christians do here on earth, that would 100% disprove God's existence, or atleast the Christian god.
Don't you think that there's a high probability that life exists outside of our planet? And if it does, don't you think God would have maybe mentioned it at some point in the Bible?
I mean really sit down and look at yourself, and ask yourself seriously if you truly deep down in your core.
Believe that a man rose from the dead, he cured diseases by touching people, he had a man split water in half to make a pathway to walk through, he walked on water, and a ton of other inconsistencies with everything we know about the world and the way it works.
One of my biggest questions is, if God knew that Adam and Eve were going to break his rule by eating the apple, what was the point of any of it?
If God is all-knowing in that instance doesn't he know he's wasting his time and there's no point at all, zero, at telling them what not to do knowing that they're just going to do it and I'm not saying like a parent to a child I'm saying he legit 100% no doubt in his mind knew they were going to disobey. To disobey it, seems really stupid and then to punish all of humanity because of that, it just seems nonsensical.
Also, before Judaism and long before Christianity, where did people go when they died? Did they go to heaven, did they go to hell?
There's nothing wrong with realizing that there may not be a all-powerful being. More than likely aliens exist, if they did not have the exact same scripture and religion as Christians do here on earth, that would 100% disprove God's existence, or atleast the Christian god.
Don't you think that there's a high probability that life exists outside of our planet? And if it does, don't you think God would have maybe mentioned it at some point in the Bible?
I mean really sit down and look at yourself, and ask yourself seriously if you truly deep down in your core.
Believe that a man rose from the dead, he cured diseases by touching people, he had a man split water in half to make a pathway to walk through, he walked on water, and a ton of other inconsistencies with everything we know about the world and the way it works.
One of my biggest questions is, if God knew that Adam and Eve were going to break his rule by eating the apple, what was the point of any of it?
If God is all-knowing in that instance doesn't he know he's wasting his time and there's no point at all, zero, at telling them what not to do knowing that they're just going to do it and I'm not saying like a parent to a child I'm saying he legit 100% no doubt in his mind knew they were going to disobey. To disobey it, seems really stupid and then to punish all of humanity because of that, it just seems nonsensical.
Also, before Judaism and long before Christianity, where did people go when they died? Did they go to heaven, did they go to hell?
Posted on 9/22/23 at 6:04 pm to Craig86
I honestly don’t care that any of them believe in whatever they believe. It’s the gall to be so sure that others are living “wrong” and must be enlightened…by them…as part of their belief system that has me bothered.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 6:39 pm to Craig86
Christianity has literally been forced upon people for 1000 years through violence and conquest. It's amazing that people get so bothered when someone complains. Wasn't even widespread until the holy roman empire made it the official religion of empire.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 7:33 pm to DyeHardDylan
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Fourth, this would never happen if it were any other religion.
No other religion thinks dunking your head magically makes you a better person.
Who care’s anyway. Mythology is mythology regardless how much you want believe it.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 7:34 pm to Lynxrufus2012
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What the atheists want is to force their beliefs on others
No they don’t. And technically atheism is the lack of belief. Every single one of you are atheist to every other god but the one you chose to believe in.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 8:06 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
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In fairness, if an ad company was comfortable telling me that I should buy their product because it “fixes my spiritual cancer” and that if I bought it I would keep myself from “perishing because of my beliefs”
Those companies do, however tell you they cure what ailes you. Want to be cool? Drink this certain brand of beer!
Get the vacation you deserve! Payday loans!
The advertising industry makes literally in the billions selling you on a product that makes promises.
I remember a time when if you wanted to get a good looking girl you would need to smoke a certain brand of cigarettes.
Know what popped up at the top of this page?
Lear from the best and make an impact on day one with Capital One!All you have to do for a fullfilling life is follow the instructions in an advertisement.
Maybe we shut down advertising?
quote:Out of curiosity...do you consider yourself judging Christians for their beliefs and actions? Shall I go back and repeat what people have said about Christians and Hugh Freeze in this thread, or can you do it yourself?
It’s not the offer of enhancement that bugs most people…it’s the shameless judgement
Let's not pretend judgemental attitudes go one way.
Let's take television for instance. I can tell you in the first 10 minutes or so of a police procedural who a killer is if there is a Christian or pastor on the program.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 8:11 pm to J2thaROC
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No they don’t. And technically atheism is the lack of belief.
Actually it is not. Atheism is a lack of belief in God...not a lack of belief. There is a big difference.
And not all atheists want to force people to believe as they do. (Their belief that there is no God)
But the Freedom From Religion people do, and there are a good many who do. But there isn't a Christian on earth that can "force" anyone to believe in God.
People on here keep saying they are tired of Christians forcing their beliefs on people. I've asked once (to another poster) and I will ask you....when is the last time a Christian has witnessed to you?
Posted on 9/22/23 at 8:14 pm to r2d2
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Just to clarify I couldn’t be more against such a group.
I gotcha, and you have as much right to think and believe as you do as anybody. I am not a Hugh Freeze fan, either. But, I am always willing to give somebody a second chance.
That's just me. I do get why people don't like him and don't want to give him a second chance, though.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 8:16 pm to DyeHardDylan
I have not read through this whole thing, but I am certain people are changing other’s core beliefs.
Keep it up. The forum appreciates it.
Keep it up. The forum appreciates it.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 8:19 pm to Steve Rogers
quote:Who cares. It does not affect you in any way. Leave people to worship if they want, and how the want.
Christianity has literally been forced upon people for 1000 years through violence and conquest. It's amazing that people get so bothered when someone complains. Wasn't even widespread until the holy roman empire made it the official religion of empire.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 8:21 pm to captdalton
What gets me is the anti God crew always wants to argue with people of faith. As if they think those who worship are fools and dumb because they believe in "fairy tales" or whatever pejorative they can conjure
Posted on 9/22/23 at 8:25 pm to ChexMix
And on here all it will turn into is an argument. Just like this thread.
You don’t convert people on an internet forum.
You don’t convert people on an internet forum.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 8:29 pm to ChexMix
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Who cares. It does not affect you in any way. Leave people to worship if they want, and how the want.
You just proved my point. People were forced into Christianity.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 8:32 pm to Steve Rogers
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You just proved my point. People were forced into Christianity
Yet, maybe the 10 commandments are a pretty good game plan.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 8:38 pm to ChexMix
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What gets me is the anti God crew always wants to argue with people of faith. As if they think those who worship are fools and dumb because they believe in "fairy tales" or whatever pejorative they can conjure
I'm not anti God or even against Religion. I don't care what you do but to act like Christianity isn't pushed in everyone's face in the south is ridiculous.
If there were 3000 people calling
to Allah in the open people in the would lose their shite. There would be 1000 threads.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 8:47 pm to captdalton
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Yet, maybe the 10 commandments are a pretty good game plan.
So kill people over the time and force them to convert but say the 10 commandments are a good plan? ??
Posted on 9/22/23 at 8:50 pm to Steve Rogers
How in the world is the FFRF thread still going. This group does this every year and only bullies people that cannot afford to keep lawyers busy all year long. Auburn will pay and the FFRF will go away until the next time.
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