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re: The best college football sports analyst ranks his Top 10 after Week 4

Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:38 pm to
Posted by CharlotteSooner
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:38 pm to
It's "couldn't care less"

What did you see with our performance?
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 9:40 pm
Posted by CISO
ATX
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:01 pm to
Georgia and Michigan are not worthy of their rankings until they prove otherwise.
Posted by umop sujoH
Member since Jul 2021
302 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 5:47 am to
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The week before they played OU, they lost to Miami of Ohio for the first time in 15 years.


Cincinnati has been bad at red-zone offense their last two games. They outgained Miami 538 yards to 358 and had 30 first downs to Miami's 16. They move the ball when they have room but can't finish drives for TDs very well at all.

I'm not gonna spend too much time defending Cincy because they're not great, but they also aren't total crap. OU was favored by 13 at gametime and won by 14. So while it was lower-than-expected scoring for both teams, I wouldn't call it a massive disappointment.

UC's D-line is quite good...that part is true. Corleone in particular is a fricking monster as a RS sophomore and will easily be drafted on Day 1 if he keeps it up.

I still want to see a lot more out of OU's run game if I'm going to start believing that they can make an NY6 bowl or better this year.

I'm just thrilled to see OU playing its best defense in a long time with tons of young guys. Defense is fun again.
Posted by Corriente Kid
Central Texas
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 7:16 am to
Better DL than Texas?
Posted by umop sujoH
Member since Jul 2021
302 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 8:27 am to
I think it's close. Texas' DL is nasty from what I've seen. It will not be easy going for OU by any means. Gabriel fricks up a lot more under pressure.

Toughest game on the schedule by a mile.
Posted by CharlotteSooner
Member since Mar 2016
12966 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 8:32 am to
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Better DL than Texas?


Corleone and Briggs are both NFL guys. Corleone is day 1 easily, most likely 1st RD.
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 12:34 pm to
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It's "couldn't care less"


Actually either "could" or "couldn't" is grammatically acceptable:

https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/eb/qa/I-COULDN-T-care-less-or-I-COULD-care-less
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But you will also hear people use this expression with could instead of couldn’t, like this:

I could care less what happens.
Is this correct, and what does it mean?

The answer depends on whom you ask. According to most grammarians, this expression is logical and correct only with couldn’t. If a person says, “I couldn’t care less” about something, it means that the amount of care and concern they have about something could not be any less, any lower. This makes sense. Therefore when someone says I could care less, it should mean the opposite, that they are concerned.

However, if you listen to native speakers, you will hear people saying “I could care less,” and you will know from the context and tone of voice that they mean they are not at all interested or concerned. So while the expression with could may not be as logical, it is used. And if you’re interested in understanding actual usage, like many linguists and learners, you should definitely be aware of both forms.

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What did you see with our performance?

So before I go into what I saw, remember that I was objecting to the OU poster who said that OU would "100%" beat several teams in that top 10 list.

I am not saying OU is bad, going to miss a bowl, or anything of that sort. I just don't see them "100%" beating any of those teams, and I am not convinced they are a top 10 team (with their defense probably top 15, but at worst, top 20).

My main criticism with OU is the offense. Gabriel had an okay showing, but missed many receivers who were open downfield, notably towards the later part of the second quarter where the OU WR beat the Cinci defender and OU had to settle for a field goal.

It also seemed to me that a lot of the throws he made were to the side of the field. That is not a bad thing necessarily, but it does make me wonder how much the staff trusts his ability to make throws in the middle of the field. Maybe it was just the gameplan based on what they saw on Cincy's tape. It's only one game so nothing conclusive should be said for sure about it, but at the same time it does raise some questions from someone who doesn't follow OU closely (this was the first game I've watched of them this season and only looked at box scores previously, so I have a small sample size on which I'm basing my opinion of OU).

Ultimately, it seemed like OU really couldn't capitalize on Cincy's numerous mistakes (mostly on offense).

Between Satterfield's track record of train wreck offenses, and Emory Jones' track record of being a train wreck at qb, I was not surprised that OU was able to hold them to such few points. They shot themselves in the foot offensively, particularly towards the end of the first half: first with Emory's terrible under thrown ball into double coverage, and then with a missed chip shot fg. Had even one of those gaffes not occurred, the second half might have been very different with Cincy having some momentum.

I do believe OU has a good defense as Venebles is a good defensive coach, but I also don't believe that Cincy's offense was a true litmus test to how good the defense actually is since they are so poor. I won't criticize OU's defense for doing their job, at the same time I am not sure if they are just a solid defense or an elite one based on this performance due to their competition.

But while I was not surprised by OU's defense shutting down Cincy's offense, I was surprised by the low output of the offense. Coming into the game I expected OU to put up 40+, especially based on their performances against overmatched Ark State and Tulsa. While that is a high bar, I thought so lowly of Cincy that I thought it was not unreasonable, especially based on what OU showed earlier this season.

The offense stalled out a lot, and really did not take advantage of Cincy's offensive stall outs to pull away sooner. I think while 40+ might have been a high bar, a low bar would be 24 points, yet OU came short of that as well.

Overall, it wasn't a bad performance by OU, but it wasn't a top 10. Of course, I am banking a lot of this perspective on the notion that cincy is a bad team. I'll admit it's still too early to discern, but I am confident that Satt is an awful coach and I KNOW Emory Jones is not a good qb. They lost to Miami of Ohio the week before for the first time in 15+ years (snapping a 16 game win streak) and I honestly believe that if OU were a top 10 team they would have won that game by 3-4 TD's and would have put it away by around halftime (either right before it or early in the 3rd quarter when they got the ball after half, right after cincy missed that FG attempt).

We'll know a bit more about Cincy this Friday as they play a solid BYU team. I think OU plays Iowa State, a game they should cruise in, and we won't know what they really are until the following week in Dallas.
This post was edited on 9/26/23 at 12:38 pm
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
7303 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 12:44 pm to
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Cincinnati has been bad at red-zone offense their last two games. They outgained Miami 538 yards to 358 and had 30 first downs to Miami's 16. They move the ball when they have room but can't finish drives for TDs very well at all.

I'm not gonna spend too much time defending Cincy because they're not great, but they also aren't total crap. OU was favored by 13 at gametime and won by 14. So while it was lower-than-expected scoring for both teams, I wouldn't call it a massive disappointment.

UC's D-line is quite good...that part is true. Corleone in particular is a fricking monster as a RS sophomore and will easily be drafted on Day 1 if he keeps it up.

I still want to see a lot more out of OU's run game if I'm going to start believing that they can make an NY6 bowl or better this year.

I'm just thrilled to see OU playing its best defense in a long time with tons of young guys. Defense is fun again.

Cincy does have some talent in their front 7, but I think it remains to be seen if they're not great or total crap.

I thought they were going to be solid when they beat Pitt due to Pitt getting pre-season hype, but then we all have seen that Pitt sucks tremendously this year.

I am basing my projections of Cincy on Satt's track record as a coach at UL and Emory Jones' track record as qb at Florida and Arizona State. The fact that he couldn't get a qb better than Emory Jones on that roster is pretty telling itself.
Posted by WoodyOrnamental
Member since Sep 2021
1394 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 12:53 pm to
Wow…

I suppose you really think tx is a top 10 team?
Posted by umop sujoH
Member since Jul 2021
302 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 5:30 am to
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Partha



I think those are all fair points. This is clearly not the UC of recent years...or even close. And no, Emory Jones is not good, but they do have some residual Fickell talent in places.

The Texas game should tell us a lot more about where (or whether) OU belongs in the rankings.
Posted by Corriente Kid
Central Texas
Member since Aug 2021
578 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:52 am to
I'm a little concerned about OU week after next. Got to get past Kansas first. Crazy I even have to say that.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7341 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:20 am to
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This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 11:22 am
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
7303 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:29 am to
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the best analyst in college football right now.
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Joel Klatt
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