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The "A&M has only one player on defense" talking point
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:26 am
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:26 am
Let's actually compare the "star power" on the two rosters.
LSU 2014 Depth Chart
DE: Rasco (SR 4*), Bower (SO 4*)
DT: LaCouture (SO 4*), Bain (FR 4*)
DT: Godchaux (FR 4*), Thomas (JR 3*)
DE: Hunter (JR 4*), Clark (FR 4*)
LB: Louis (JR 4*), Riley (SO 3*)
LB: Beckwith (SO 4*), Garrett (FR 5*)
LB: Alexander (JR 4*), Jones (JR 4*)
CB: Collins (JR 4*), Paris (FR 4*)
S: Mills (JR 3*), Jefferson (SO WR 4*)
S: Martin (SR 3*), Adams (FR 5*)
CB: White (SO 5*), Gage (FR 3*)
5 star - 3
4 star - 14
3 star - 5
Texas A&M 2014 Depth Chart
DE: Obioha (JR 3*), Cunningham (FR 4*)
DT: Henderson (FR 4*), Walker (SO 4*)
DT: Williams (JR TE 3*), Arnold (SO 3*)
DE: Garrett (FR 5*), Hall (SO 4*)
LB: Alaka (FR 4*), Baggs (SR 3*)
LB: Walker (FR 4*), Mastrogiovanni (SO 3*)
CB: Everett (SR 3*), Harvey (FR 4*)
S: Watts (FR 4*), Raven (SR 4*)
S: Matthews (SR 4*), Wilson (SO 3*)
CB: Harris (JR 4*), Garner (SO 4*)
NB: Burns (JR 3*), Sezer (SO 3*)
5 star - 1
4 star - 12
3 star - 9
The difference isn't raw talent, at least not a 100+ ranking difference.
There are two differences:
1. Upperclass depth. LSU has 7 upperclass starters and 9 upperclassmen in the two deep. A&M has 6 upperclass starters and 8 total upperclassmen in the two deep.
2. Coaching and scheme. If you were to give Chavis A&M's defensive roster and Snyder LSU's defensive roster, the results would be similar, if not the same.
LSU 2014 Depth Chart
DE: Rasco (SR 4*), Bower (SO 4*)
DT: LaCouture (SO 4*), Bain (FR 4*)
DT: Godchaux (FR 4*), Thomas (JR 3*)
DE: Hunter (JR 4*), Clark (FR 4*)
LB: Louis (JR 4*), Riley (SO 3*)
LB: Beckwith (SO 4*), Garrett (FR 5*)
LB: Alexander (JR 4*), Jones (JR 4*)
CB: Collins (JR 4*), Paris (FR 4*)
S: Mills (JR 3*), Jefferson (SO WR 4*)
S: Martin (SR 3*), Adams (FR 5*)
CB: White (SO 5*), Gage (FR 3*)
5 star - 3
4 star - 14
3 star - 5
Texas A&M 2014 Depth Chart
DE: Obioha (JR 3*), Cunningham (FR 4*)
DT: Henderson (FR 4*), Walker (SO 4*)
DT: Williams (JR TE 3*), Arnold (SO 3*)
DE: Garrett (FR 5*), Hall (SO 4*)
LB: Alaka (FR 4*), Baggs (SR 3*)
LB: Walker (FR 4*), Mastrogiovanni (SO 3*)
CB: Everett (SR 3*), Harvey (FR 4*)
S: Watts (FR 4*), Raven (SR 4*)
S: Matthews (SR 4*), Wilson (SO 3*)
CB: Harris (JR 4*), Garner (SO 4*)
NB: Burns (JR 3*), Sezer (SO 3*)
5 star - 1
4 star - 12
3 star - 9
The difference isn't raw talent, at least not a 100+ ranking difference.
There are two differences:
1. Upperclass depth. LSU has 7 upperclass starters and 9 upperclassmen in the two deep. A&M has 6 upperclass starters and 8 total upperclassmen in the two deep.
2. Coaching and scheme. If you were to give Chavis A&M's defensive roster and Snyder LSU's defensive roster, the results would be similar, if not the same.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:28 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Ah Floyd Raven buried on the depth chart
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:31 am to DMagic
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Ah Floyd Raven buried on the depth chart
That's all Snyder. A decent DC would have either maximized his talent or Reuben Foster'ed him on Special Teams, not started him every other game.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:31 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Ahh damn here we go
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:31 am to Wicked Pissah
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Can't polish a turd
False.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:32 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Lulz
If wishes were horses beggars would ride
If wishes were horses beggars would ride
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:32 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Texas A&M beats everyone at moral victories. Even LSU
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:32 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Maybe those stars you are touting also show that your coaches can't identify talent during the recruiting season either...
Stars are a general guide to talent but certainly far from the end all be all. LSU coaches can identify AND coach defensive talent much better than A&M
Stars are a general guide to talent but certainly far from the end all be all. LSU coaches can identify AND coach defensive talent much better than A&M
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 10:33 am
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:32 am to DMagic
Y'all are soft. No tough players on that team. Also stars mean nothing at all. Ever.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:32 am to DMagic
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This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 10:33 am
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:33 am to CGSC Lobotomy
It's not really the stars difference for these two teams. The big problem for A&M is lack of development, which A&M lacks.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:33 am to CGSC Lobotomy
You're underestimating those 2 extra 5 stars
1 or 2 guys can make a difference. You guys don't have a Jamal Adams who can be a game changer. LSU typically has 1 or 2 guys that can do that. Mathieu, Peterson, etc..
1 or 2 guys can make a difference. You guys don't have a Jamal Adams who can be a game changer. LSU typically has 1 or 2 guys that can do that. Mathieu, Peterson, etc..
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:33 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Chavis wouldn't let his only good player get made his bitch all night in front of a national audience.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:33 am to LSUTIGERS8181
1. I don't play for A&M
2. Stars do matter sometimes. For instance do you think Fournette deserved five stars?
2. Stars do matter sometimes. For instance do you think Fournette deserved five stars?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:34 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Sites like rivals and 247 have a pretty wide ranking range for 4 star players. They are not all equal
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:35 am to auburnphan23
A&M has illuminating stars on each player's locker in accordance to their high school ranking.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:37 am to DMagic
I think so. He got better and better through the year and will be even better next year. Do you think Tyrann Mathieu desereved 2 stars?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:38 am to AdamDeMamp
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Maybe those stars you are touting also show that your coaches can't identify talent during the recruiting season either
The 1 5 star player was a Sumlin recruit
10 of the 4 star players were Sumlin recruits
5 of the 9 3 star players were Sumlin recruits
Just using the infamous Fournette run as an example, the four players responsible for that debacle (Everett, Bass, Burns, and of course Matthews) were all Sherman recruits.
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