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re: Texas offense Red Zone ranking - the Melt of MtVernon

Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:06 am to
Posted by Whentheleveebreaks
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:06 am to
Not on that pitch play call. That play was doomed to fail from the start.
Posted by LSUTigresFan
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:06 am to
Arch doesn't have the stupid, weird side arm pass Quinn has that will get batted down at the line all the damn time (NFL will fix that for him, honestly will be much better once he has a real throwing motion). That will be nice not to get mad about anymore.
Posted by LSUTigresFan
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:07 am to
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Not on that pitch play call. That play was doomed to fail from the start.


For sure, the defense read it (obviously). Play should've been audible out of and ran up the middle in the B gap.
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:07 am to
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Arch doesn't have the stupid, weird side arm pass Quinn has


And Lord Sark couldn't fix that? Isn't that why he's here?
Posted by HorninHouston
Member since Sep 2024
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:08 am to
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And Steve Sarkisian is a great coach why? Would somebody clear this up for me?

I was never ecstatic about the Sark hire but I have been told for several years he was a godsend. Please explain.


Exactly what I've been saying all season. He's definitely a huge upgrade from our last 2 coaches but good enough? final 4 seems to be his ceiling. We were sold an "offensive genius". I sure don't see it. Ironic our best unit, by far, is our defense. The unit he doesn't really touch. Pretty sure an "offensive genius" could fix red zone issues given 2 years to do so. Not sark.
I like the guy and all but, and I'll catch shite for this, it's not going to break my heart if he goes to the NFL. Yeah there's a chance we end up with someone worse and, considering our track record of hiring coaches, it's probably likely.
I'm at the point I don't care either way. He stays or he bolts. We have issues on offense. Not convinced Sark can fix them.
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 9:11 am
Posted by Quicksilver
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:11 am to
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Idk Kiffin's background. Was he raised on West-coast offense? That seems to be the issue. The SEC is too tough for that west-coast BS.


Sark and Kiffin run the same concepts. Sark does a little more sideline to sideline stuff while Kiffin focuses on downfield routes but the concepts are the same. They were Co-OCs under Carroll at USC.
Posted by BigBro
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:15 am to
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He also gets to cute in high pressure situations. WTF with that pitch play?

I didn't like the play call as I wanted a QB sneak, but after watching the film, the play was there until Caleb Downs absolutely made the perfect read and took the perfect line to track down the RB.

His eyes tell him to go outside of the tackle on that play, but his training and football IQ took him inside on the pulling tackle, and that's likely the only route that would have stopped the play. The dude just made a phenomenal play.

Also while watching the film on that play, it is obvious what the perfect play call would have been there.. the naked bootleg. Same play same everything, Quinn just doesn't pitch the ball and most likely just walks into the end zone. There was a safety creeping down, so it's possible that was his only job, and if so, Quinn can just throw it away if you bring the TE as a late drag (to throw it out of the end zone).

I still wanted a QB sneak with Arch, but it sounds like he wasn't available from the earlier hit to the head. Use Helm, use someone else.. at least try it for a play. Or a pre-snap motion race to the corner of the end zone on a rolling Quinn Ewers, like we saw in the Michigan game and 1 other game, forget which one.

Bottom line: When a play works, the play caller is a genius, but when it doesn't, the sky is falling and that same guy is a bum. People are stupid. Sark is 25-5 the last 2 years and if he keeps hanging around the top 4, he's gonna win a NC imo.
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 9:17 am
Posted by HorninHouston
Member since Sep 2024
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:15 am to
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And Lord Sark couldn't fix that? Isn't that why he's here?


fricking this
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:15 am to
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I am positive about Manning - I'm not going to lie. Because he is a Manning - which tells me he is a fierce competitor once his blood gets boiling.

I expect Arch and Sark to clash in the heat of battle. I expect Arch to say "frick that" to Sark's call when the fight is on. I expect Arch to bring the passion and "want to" to the team while Sark stares at his nice colorful play sheet.

So yeah, I expect Arch to make us better.


I've never seen that in him once. In fact, making him the fourth and one guy is ridiculous. Manning is in his second season in the system, and Sarkisian was trying to highlight his feet. As a true freshman, Tua Tagovailoa played big minutes in SEC games throughout the season. That's why he was ready in the 2nd half vs Georgia for the NC as a true freshman. In his Sophomore season, he was starting and tearing up the SEC. And Jalen Hurts was a better QB than Ewers and by a long shot. And keep in mind that coach Saban loved Jalen Hurts. Tua took what he wanted.

Arch Manning is no TuaTagovailoa.

Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
7039 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:16 am to
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I'll catch shite for this, it's not going to break my heart if he goes to the NFL. Yeah there's a chance we end up with someone worse and, considering our track record of hiring coaches, it's probably likely.


Definitely, I would jump for joy if he went to the NFL or anywhere. Why? Because CDC. I have faith in that guy, he won't hire another dud like we used to do. He has a nose for winners.

And I don't think the Sark hire was a huge fail - I think it was just us dutifully picking from the Saban tree that everyone else picks from, which took us up a notch. But he ain't the finisher.
Posted by TX Tea
Member since Sep 2023
439 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:18 am to
I don't know, Sark did pretty well as an OC at Bama and had that offense ripping teams apart. Did he all of a sudden forget his plays. Or does he not have the same talent? I am going to say the latter. He had some bonehead calls but overall, we have had much worse in the past.
Posted by BigBro
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:20 am to
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Definitely, I would jump for joy if he went to the NFL or anywhere. Why? Because CDC. I have faith in that guy, he won't hire another dud like we used to do. He has a nose for winners.

And I don't think the Sark hire was a huge fail - I think it was just us dutifully picking from the Saban tree that everyone else picks from, which took us up a notch. But he ain't the finisher.

We are the only team in college football who made the playoffs both of the last two years.. and you want to get rid of the guy.. Good lord.

Sark has completely changed our culture, we can compete with anyone in the country, and we are right there.. You have lost your damn mind if you want to get rid of that guy. Just ridiculous.
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
7039 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:21 am to
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They were Co-OCs under Carroll at USC.


That's my problem. I don't want Pete Carroll dammit. I want knuckles and blood. I want a running game. I want a big-arse Saban style running back, not a bunch of little speedies.

I'm coming to terms with why we have reached a heightened level of success (recently) yet I still have a hard time feeling settled with it. It's not Texas. It's Oregon. Or Washington. Or USC.
Posted by HorninHouston
Member since Sep 2024
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:22 am to
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And I don't think the Sark hire was a huge fail - I think it was just us dutifully picking from the Saban tree that everyone else picks from, which took us up a notch. But he ain't the finisher.


True I feel better about cdc finding the next coach than the previous team. I don't think Sark is going anywhere, however, and you can't fire a guy who just made 2 final 4s. Good luck getting another great coach to come here if you do. The only way he leaves is if he wants to move up to the nfl.

I do agree though. I don't think he's the finisher we want him to be.
Posted by LSUTigresFan
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:22 am to
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I want a big-arse Saban style running back, not a bunch of little speedies.


He got hurt before the season started..
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:23 am to
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I don't know, Sark did pretty well as an OC at Bama and had that offense ripping teams apart. Did he all of a sudden forget his plays. Or does he not have the same talent? I am going to say the latter. He had some bonehead calls but overall, we have had much worse in the past.


Najee Harris won the Doak Walker Award in 2020. His backup was Brian Robinson. Devonte Smith was the Heisman winner and Waddle played for parts of the season. Mac Jones could actually throw the football over the LOS and was always on time. Ewers would not start on that team.

Yeah, our redzone offense was better than yours.
Posted by LSUTigresFan
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:24 am to
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We are the only team in college football who made the playoffs both of the last two years.. and you want to get rid of the guy.. Good lord.

Sark has completely changed our culture, we can compete with anyone in the country, and we are right there.. You have lost your damn mind if you want to get rid of that guy. Just ridiculous.


If Sark doesn't get the redzone offense into the top 20 next season, we are not gonna win a championship.
Posted by HorninHouston
Member since Sep 2024
1304 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:24 am to
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We are the only team in college football who made the playoffs both of the last two years.. and you want to get rid of the guy.. Good lord.

Sark has completely changed our culture, we can compete with anyone in the country, and we are right there.. You have lost your damn mind if you want to get rid of that guy. Just ridiculous.


Fair enough but you're not concerned that the same issues we had last year continue to plague us? You're not concerned that sark seems incapable of fixing our red zone issue? Penalties, etc?
Perhaps the final 4 is his ceiling and we should be happy with that. I'm sure there are a lot of fans who'd trade places for sure but I agree with him. I'm not convinced he's the guy.
Doesn't matter what we think. Sark only leaves he if wants to leave.
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 9:25 am
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
7039 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:25 am to
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Arch Manning is no TuaTagovailoa.


You have no idea what Arch is or isn't. No data to pull from other than sporadic Pop Warner appearances.
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
7039 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:27 am to
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Sark did pretty well as an OC at Bama


Name a coordinator who sucked at Bama under Saban. They just ALL happened to be proteges right?
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