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re: Tennessee fans are yall interested in Mullen?

Posted on 10/24/17 at 4:09 pm to
Posted by Sunbeam
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 4:09 pm to
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The job is not what they think it is.


Trying to be totally dispassionate about things (no Vol hate), I agree with you for the most part.

But:

The past 10 years or so, the talent produced by Middle Tennesse has trended up. That area is probably in the neighborhood of putting out Alabama numbers of Div I players, even if it isn't Florida or Georgia.

But geez, who wants that job? Seriously, they have big, big expectations. Two of the few schools across the country (Tennessee isn't top 10 recruiting wise, but it is top 20 - before national recruiting), are in the same division with you (Florida and Georgia). Your permanet opponent from the West is the Deathstar.

And despite all that, Tennessee regards you as a failure if you don't put together a healthy streak of wins against Florida and Georgia, occasionally beat Alabama, go to Atlanta for the SEC championship every other year at least, and oh yeah win a national title like every five years, and be in the preseason conversation for that every year.

Whole lot of pressure. Much rather have a gig like Kentucky, Vandy, NC State, South Carolina, Virginia Tech, Kansas State (I could go on and on), than the Tennessee job.

All the expectations of Florida, and not quite as good a spot to meet them.

Funny thing is, you could say the same about Alabama, but Saban's don't come along very often (Alabama recruits better under him than they should "naturally," and they are going back to normal when he retires).

Only thing that will make them happy (Tennessee) is their own Saban.
This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 4:11 pm
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 4:11 pm to
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An interim coach will serve you better.



Agreed. But again, if he loses 3 more games, we save almost 3 Million dollars in buyout and incentives. From a fan's perspective, who gives a frick, pay him to leave and let's get to a bowl. From a business perspective, I understand the reasoning for keeping him for a couple more weeks.

Now, the pressure may be too much if we lose to Kentucky.
Posted by DoUrden
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 4:12 pm to
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Only thing that will make them happy (Tennessee) is their own Saban.


Dude have you looked at our last two coaching hires, our admin has been looking for and hiring Jar Jar level coaches.
Posted by peepingcrxxms
Sumrall, MS
Member since Aug 2016
848 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 4:14 pm to
Yea, I think I'll continue and you can continue to think it's 1998 where Tennessee and Nebraska are desirable jobs. Enjoy your next Kiffin or Dooley or Butch, because that is what you are going to hire. It will not be anyone near the caliber of Dan Mullen.
Posted by peepingcrxxms
Sumrall, MS
Member since Aug 2016
848 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 4:16 pm to
Your admin has hired the people that would take it. Do you think they intentionally skipped over a bunch of great coaches to take Dooley and Butch? No. They hired who would take it. Tennessee is not what you think it is.
Posted by DoUrden
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 4:21 pm to
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They hired who would take it. Tennessee is not what you think it is.


Not even going to try and get into it, it's not worth it.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119119 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 4:25 pm to
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Once we give up on the "fantasy hires", Gruden, Kelly, Peterson, etc.


Did you hit your head? This is rational thinking.
Posted by Sunbeam
Member since Dec 2016
2612 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 4:27 pm to
Just for the heck of it, here is my list of the schools with the best recruiting areas they have a natural advantage in (meaning against schools that do national recruiting, if nothing else):

Georgia
Florida
FSU
Miami
LSU
A&M
Texas
Ohio State
Penn State (probably, still a lot of players from Pennsylvania, and Jersey, plus they recruit DC pretty good too. Not to mention being a presence in ohio)
Southern Cal - (probably, not so sure California is that great. Lot of players, but most of the PAC, the national schools, heck most of the schools West of the Mississippi recruit that place like crazy)

Those are schools that have a built in recruiting advantage over a school like Tennessee. Obviously they are willing to spend the money to recruit nationally, but you need the right guy to pull them in from someone else's backyard.

They could have a crackerjack team with just Tennessee guys, but I don't think it would be national championship caliber every year. Like they want, and like, you know, Bama.
Posted by Sunbeam
Member since Dec 2016
2612 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 4:29 pm to
Oh yeah, and when Saban does hang it up at Alabama?

He he. Wait till you see who is willing to follow him there.

Hint: It won't be the new hotness, whoever that is.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 5:16 pm to
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Your admin has hired the people that would take it


No, dipshit. Hamilton hired Dooley because Hamilton was an incompetent boob who panicked when Kiffin bolted 2 weeks before signing day, and he didn't have any contingency in place. He disrespected David Cutcliff, who would have taken the job (as unattractive as it was), because he didn't want to buyout his entire staff at Duke. Horrible mistake.

Think of how bad the situation was at that time, NOBODY with any kind of name, in their right mind would have taken the job under those conditions. But still, he could have Cutcliff, OR he could have made Kippy Brown HC on a 1 year deal which would have stabilized the program, and, if he did well, given him a multi year contract.

But Hamilton did NEITHER of those things.

Dooley was a disaster, in every sense of the word. Didn't recruit a single offensive linemen in 2012. So he made a bad situation worse. Hamilton was AD for 2 and half more years, in the meantime plunging the athletic department into over tens of millions in debt.

Hart is hired to clean up Hamilton's mess, which he did, in less than 4 years.

Hart hired Butch because there was only one guy who they were gonna pay $5 Million or more to (that was available), and he pulled out of the deal. Peterson was EVERYONE'S 1st choice, we never had a chance to get him at market value (which wasn't $5 Million in 2012). Again, it was still a mess in 2012. We passed on Strong (probably the smart move, in hindsight) and made a budget hire. Again, this was for stability as much as anything.



Now, the football program is firmly in the black, one of the most profitable athletic departments in the country, and is in an exponentially more stable position than it was 5 years ago.



So again, you don't know shite. Stop being mad on the internet whenever a bigger program shows interest in your coach.
Posted by peepingcrxxms
Sumrall, MS
Member since Aug 2016
848 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 5:27 pm to
Hey dipshit, David Cutcliffe still is not the same caliber of coach as Dan Mullen. Hey dipshit, the last 3 coaches you have hired are nowhere near the coach that Dan Mullen is. Hey dipshit, to get Dan Mullen you are also going to have to pay way way way over market value because we will match his salary up to 6 or 6.5 million dollars. Hey dipshit, it's not 1998. Hey dipshit, stop getting mad on the internet when someone points out that fact to you. Hey dipshit, our program has had better results than yours for nearly a decade now, in a much tougher division.
This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 5:29 pm
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
40949 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 5:43 pm to
Hard pass on Merlins
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Member since Dec 2012
69906 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 5:43 pm to
Lol, it's ok Lil fella, we're not gonna take away your precious scientologist. Even tho we totally could, if we really wanted to, and deep down, you know it's true.


Also, you can keep pointing out that it's not 1998, but I'll take a football championship that's 19 years old over one that has NEVER happened, in any major sport, EVER. Hell, even your big bro Ole Misdial can claim some pre segregation titles.

You're being mad on the internet, and that's not healthy. Calm down.
Posted by rich4pres
Knoxville
Member since Dec 2016
9765 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 5:47 pm to
Every time Mullen is brought up for the Tennessee job the Miss St fans get on here and freak out. Calm down. Even though Starkville sucks I seriously doubt we pursue him anyway. Relax.
Posted by DBU
Member since Mar 2014
19059 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 5:48 pm to
They absolutely should be and Moo State should be terrified that he may leave.
Posted by BigOrangeBri
Nashville- 4th & 19
Member since Jul 2012
12279 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 5:49 pm to
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1998 where Tennessee and Nebraska are desirable jobs.


Hahahaha, I laugh anytime a halfwit compares those two jobs because it means they are more than likely retarded.
Posted by peepingcrxxms
Sumrall, MS
Member since Aug 2016
848 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 5:49 pm to
Yea, you're not going to take away our coach. You're going to settle for some up and comer in a smaller conference or retread, just like you have the last 3 times. Once that happens you will come on here to tell us why that guy is better than Mullen or be mad as shite that your administration "messed up he hire" all he while ignoring the fact that your job is not what you think it is in the coaching fraternity. Yea, you have a title and we don't. Wish we had one. Has absolutely no bearing on what a prospective coach looks at in the year 2017. The entire college football landscape has changed since you were a top tier job. Maybe you will figure that out once you hire some nobody in 2 months. Maybe you won't.
This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 5:51 pm
Posted by peepingcrxxms
Sumrall, MS
Member since Aug 2016
848 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 5:52 pm to
Funny, I laugh when someone thinks Tennessee is an elite job when they've hired nothing but bums since fat Phil was fired.
Posted by BigOrangeBri
Nashville- 4th & 19
Member since Jul 2012
12279 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 6:00 pm to
Tennessee is universally regarded as a top 10/15 job in the country. And an argument can be made that it is a better job now than it was in the 90s due to the explosion of Mid Tenn talent and other factors.

Sorry about your retardation and having to live in the worst state in the union.
Posted by peepingcrxxms
Sumrall, MS
Member since Aug 2016
848 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 6:06 pm to
Yes, it's such a good job that your last 3 hires have come from Cincinnati, La Tech, and a fired Raiders coach now coaching at FAU. You're the retard. You have to play Alabama twice and the next Alabama (Georgia) every year to get to a bowl that won't get you fired with your school's unrealistic expectations. But hey, keep calling people retards and enjoy your next coach from the AAC.
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