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re: Sure You Wanna Speed It Up? Faster Offenses Lead To Weaker Defenses In The SEC
Posted on 6/23/13 at 10:48 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Posted on 6/23/13 at 10:48 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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This article looks like a rehash of 'statistics mean whatever you want them to mean'. Balding men have a higher incidence of heart attack. Has nothing to do with hair, balding men tend to be older, therefore higher incidence of heart attack.
So the HUNH offense is the heart attack, the defenses are the old bald men. Now I get it.
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Posted on 6/23/13 at 10:51 pm to harmonics
"OLD MAN FOOTBALL" -famous last words
Posted on 6/23/13 at 10:52 pm to harmonics
But regarding the OP article, I don't know that it's really saying anything.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 10:52 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Ol' Sheldon. 
Posted on 6/23/13 at 10:54 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Stanford plays boring old man football and I seem to recall them shutting Oregon the frick down last year. 
Posted on 6/23/13 at 10:56 pm to harmonics
Yeah, I kinda think if you have better players and better execution it isn't going to really matter.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 11:00 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Any statisticians on board? It looks to me the author is just dividing number of snaps by possession time. It's a mathematical exercise. I've watched Chip Kellys' version a few times. Sometimes he'll run an actual hurry up. Sometimes it's simply a no-huddle, calling the play at the line, to disallow defensive substitutions.
This article looks like a rehash of 'statistics mean whatever you want them to mean'. Balding men have a higher incidence of heart attack. Has nothing to do with hair, balding men tend to be older, therefore higher incidence of heart attack.
You know whats up.
Just b/c there is no huddle, doesn't mean you aren't using up a lot of the play clock.
It really depends on the situation.
That is why if I am going to only look at simple box score stats I would rather use 3rd down numbers than total yards and points to judge a defense.
Did MrSEC's crack research team even bother to check anything other than raw numbers?
For instance, how many scores were actually made by the opposing offense vs a defensive or special teams play?
What were the situations the opposing team scored in?
Was in the second half of a blowout when backups were getting PT?
There are too many variables to simply look at yards and points to say that a defense is good or not.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 11:01 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
It's not. Correlation is not causation. There are far too many factors, including a given HC's expertise and football orientation (is the coach defense oriented or offense oriented?) to draw any conclusions.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 11:04 pm to Dr RC
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It really depends on the situation.
Kelly is the guru. I don't know if it's the personnel matchups or what, but he'll all of a sudden switch gears to go go go.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 11:11 pm to Cockopotamus
I was talking about the HUNH team's defense. If the offense is scoring quickly (which isn't always the case with no huddle) they are going to face more possessions, therefore there is greater opportunity to give up yards/points.
Work on reading comprehension instead of getting a boner when you see the logo for the only program whose football team you feel comfortable talking trash about...
If you knew anything about football before 2011, you'd know my name is referring not only to charlie sheen's catch phrase, but also Dat Nguyen, all American/ pro bowl linebacker from Texas A&M University.
Thank you for your time, please try again later.
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You should stick to basketball.
Work on reading comprehension instead of getting a boner when you see the logo for the only program whose football team you feel comfortable talking trash about...
If you knew anything about football before 2011, you'd know my name is referring not only to charlie sheen's catch phrase, but also Dat Nguyen, all American/ pro bowl linebacker from Texas A&M University.
Thank you for your time, please try again later.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 11:13 pm to Prof
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including a given HC's expertise and football orientation (is the coach defense oriented or offense oriented?) to draw any conclusions.
Right. Coach Kelly said after LSU game (and no doubt influenced by AU game) that his front 7 D recruiting was going to have to change. Wasn't an indictment of his O, but of his D.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 11:33 pm to Gardevoir
That's the dumbest article I've ever read. As some have said, with HUNH offense there will always be more plays in a game, thus it would mathematically be almost guaranteed you would give-up more yards in a game. It would be much more interesting to see if he divided them out in a yards per play or points per possession metric. Is your defense worse or does the opponent just get more opportunities due to a faster paced offense?
Secondly, he completely fails to acknowledge that offense and defense are interconnected. Let's say your defense does give up an average of 1 additional TD per game, but your offense scores 2 additional TDs per game. This moron's study would have you believe the transition to the HUNH was erronious whereas anyone with a brain could see it was beneficial.
Secondly, he completely fails to acknowledge that offense and defense are interconnected. Let's say your defense does give up an average of 1 additional TD per game, but your offense scores 2 additional TDs per game. This moron's study would have you believe the transition to the HUNH was erronious whereas anyone with a brain could see it was beneficial.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 11:34 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Bama and UGA could both have a top five offense (maybe not statistically) this year, and neither play pussy HUNH ball.
UGA isn't HUNH like Baylor or Oregon, but they're a helluva lot closer than most in the SEC. There's nothing wrong with mixing in some no huddle.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 11:35 pm to nc14
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It is a sign of desparation. Run and gun, no huddle, hurry up are all variations of short term success gimmicks.
Soooooo Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rogers, etc are just desparate?
Posted on 6/23/13 at 11:39 pm to Nguyening
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Offensive players typically move a bit better/more endurance so defenses get gassed.
Ah no. Defensive players are reacting unlike the offensive players that carrying out their play. Defensive players are always playing catch up regardless of the situation. Defensive players are actually better conditioned because of this fact. Look at the lines. DL are typically leaner and faster than OL regardless of conference or playing style. This is also why lean fast DLineman that can also get off a block and stop the run make crazy bank in the NFL.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 11:40 pm to Gardevoir
I have this really wild theory that I just thought of, so bear with me but
I think that the team that executes their offense or defense better, regardless of the scheme, will probably win more than they lose.
Feel free to tear that idea apart. This is America.
I think that the team that executes their offense or defense better, regardless of the scheme, will probably win more than they lose.
Feel free to tear that idea apart. This is America.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 11:47 pm to Quicksilver
Wishbone it is.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 11:54 pm to nc14
quote:Not only is your post completely false, but it's also flat out asinine.
It is a sign of desparation. Run and gun, no huddle, hurry up are all variations of short term success gimmicks.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 12:00 am to Gardevoir
I don't think so. A good defense can play regardless. However, Saban has been crying for yrs about no-huddle offenses. Cause they'll kill those 300lbs D-Linemen
Posted on 6/24/13 at 12:01 am to roadGator
Every time Oregon has played a TOP SEC team their offense has gotten roughed up.
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