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re: starts dont ALWAYS matter
Posted on 7/28/10 at 4:54 pm to Teague
Posted on 7/28/10 at 4:54 pm to Teague
Santa, among others, have nailed it. Of course you can find outliers of 2 and 3 stars that were elite. As well as 5 stars who were busts. But look at teams that win the national title and look how many 4 and 5s they have compared to 2 and 3s. Stars aren't ALWAYS accurate in predicting success, but they damn sure provide a good guess. Like Teague said, give me a roster full of high stars against a team full of low stars and see what happens.
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Posted on 7/28/10 at 4:56 pm to show me your TDs
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starts dont ALWAYS matter
I guess I am gonna be the arse here.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 4:57 pm to show me your TDs
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Brandon Gibson - still has a chance
understatementPosted on 7/28/10 at 4:58 pm to Teague
Most people who think stars don't matter pull for teams that can't get alot of them. the fact is, when you look at number of sec wins over a given time period, then compare that with reruiting rankings, it matches up pretty well.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 4:59 pm to WelcomeToDeathValley
Since Rivals started keeping recruiting rankings, any team that finished #1 in the rankings has gone on to win a national championship.
2002 - Texas (won national title in 2005)
2003 - LSU (won national titles in 2003 and 2007)
2004 - USC (won national title in 2004)
2005 - USC (played for a national title that year)
2006 - USC
2007 - Florida (won national title in 2008)
2008 - Alabama (won national title in 2009)
2009 - Alabama (won national title that year)
2010 - USC
2002 - Texas (won national title in 2005)
2003 - LSU (won national titles in 2003 and 2007)
2004 - USC (won national title in 2004)
2005 - USC (played for a national title that year)
2006 - USC
2007 - Florida (won national title in 2008)
2008 - Alabama (won national title in 2009)
2009 - Alabama (won national title that year)
2010 - USC
Posted on 7/28/10 at 5:01 pm to secfan123
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Most people who think stars don't matter pull for teams that can't get alot of them. the fact is, when you look at number of sec wins over a given time period, then compare that with reruiting rankings, it matches up pretty well.
Indeed. Since Alabama finished with back-to-back #1 recruiting classes they have gone 16-0 in regular season SEC play. Coincidence? I think not.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 5:03 pm to RollTide1987
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Indeed. Since Alabama finished with back-to-back #1 recruiting classes they have gone 16-0 in regular season SEC play. Coincidence? I think not.
But don't act like the recruiting sites had anything to do with it, nothing would've change if the sites didn't exist. Bama would have had the same class.
It is for fans only, nothing more. People are getting info from "analyst" that have no more experience in that field than an average fan...
This post was edited on 7/28/10 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 7/28/10 at 5:04 pm to Alabamya
Teams who have won the BCS National Title:
Tennessee
FSU
Oklahoma
Miami
Ohio St
LSU
USC
Texas
Florida
Alabama
Every single one of those teams were stockpiled with elite recruits that came from elite recruiting classes sometime before winning the title.
A top 5 class will not win you a national title alone, but history has shown that you just about can't win one unless you get top 5 type classes consistently.
Tennessee
FSU
Oklahoma
Miami
Ohio St
LSU
USC
Texas
Florida
Alabama
Every single one of those teams were stockpiled with elite recruits that came from elite recruiting classes sometime before winning the title.
A top 5 class will not win you a national title alone, but history has shown that you just about can't win one unless you get top 5 type classes consistently.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 5:06 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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But don't act like the recruiting sites had anything to do with it, nothing would've change if the sites didn't exist.
It is for fans only, nothing more...
no the recruits that the sites ranked #1 did. the sites are pretty good at showing who has the best recruits, which is a pretty good indicator of how well a team will do over a certain period.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 5:10 pm to secfan123
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no the recruits that the sites ranked #1 did. the sites are pretty good at showing who has the best recruits, which is a pretty good indicator of how well a team will do over a certain period.
Like I said earlier, any joe schmoe can recognize elite talent on a highlight tape.
It takes real scouts to sort through the rest, which all recruiting sites are very inconsistent on.
If recruiting sites didn't exist, not a thing would change...
Posted on 7/28/10 at 5:12 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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If recruiting sites didn't exist, not a thing would change.
Well no shite. But we wouldn't have the barometer for success that we have now. It would be a lot tougher for fans to look at the talent their team is recruiting and know how good they really are compared to other teams.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 5:13 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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If recruiting sites didn't exist, not a thing would change...
that's like saying if a thermometer didn't exist, the weather wouldn't chage. both are simply taking measurements, and the recruiting sites are pretty damned good at figuring out which way your team is heading talent wise.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 5:14 pm to Teague
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Well no shite. But we wouldn't have the barometer for success that we have now. It would be a lot tougher for fans to look at the talent their team is recruiting and know how good they really are compared to other teams.
Not really, you could just watch some actual football games.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 5:15 pm to Teague
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Well no shite. But we wouldn't have the barometer for success that we have now. It would be a lot tougher for fans to look at the talent their team is recruiting and know how good they really are compared to other teams.
That's what I'm saying, it's for fans only. It holds no merit outside of us. It's used to dumb down the recruiting for the average fan...
Posted on 7/28/10 at 5:15 pm to TTsTowel
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Not really, you could just watch some actual football games.
its about direction of your team. recruiting rnkings help you know which way your team is heading in the future.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 5:16 pm to TTsTowel
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Not really, you could just watch some actual football games.
Yeah, but you'd have to wait three years until that signing class was actually playing a lot. And even then, you only get to judge how good they are based on the teams they play. You still wouldn't know how they stacked up against other conferences.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 5:16 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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That's what I'm saying, it's for fans only. It holds no merit outside of us. It's used to dumb down the recruiting for the average fan...
its not dumbing down, merely providing info and ratings on players that most people would not normally get to hear about.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 5:19 pm to secfan123
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that's like saying if a thermometer didn't exist, the weather wouldn't chage. both are simply taking measurements, and the recruiting sites are pretty damned good at figuring out which way your team is heading talent wise.
But look at who you are getting the "measurements" from, people who have no actual experience recruiting on the college level.
People take the opinions of the sites way to far, it isn't meant to be the gospel, just their opinion of the recruits.
Yeah, they can spot elite talent, but that's not that hard if you know what you are looking at. But to seed through everything else, it take skill, which all recruiting site are very inconsistent at.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 5:22 pm to secfan123
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its not dumbing down, merely providing info and ratings on players that most people would not normally get to hear about.
It is, it is for fan use only. Recruiting on the college level is nothing like what Rivals does.
People who say teams that won NCs because of #1 recruiting classes also forget that the coaches of those schools are no slouches either...
Posted on 7/28/10 at 5:26 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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But look at who you are getting the "measurements" from, people who have no actual experience recruiting on the college level.
and yet they've still proven very adept t predicitn succss. Look at SEC reords from 2002-2010 and you will find they match up very wll with that particular teams recruiting rankings.
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People take the opinions of the sites way to far, it isn't meant to be the gospel, just their opinion of the recruits.
A number 1 class is generally reason to celebrate, as is a top 5 or even top 10.
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Yeah, they can spot elite talent, but that's not that hard if you know what you are looking at.
Top talent is what you keeps you on top. no on cares about midling teams outside the top 25
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But to seed through everything else,
everything else? What else? whether 1 2-star out of a hundred becomes elite? your finishing place in the recruiting rankings is a great indicator of where you are in the conference.
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it take skill, which all recruiting site are very inconsistent at.
as are the coaches. (see Javy) The fact is, if you're getting your butt kicked in the recruiting rankings, your not competing consistently in your conference.
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