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re: Spinoff Thread: Why not UAB?
Posted on 5/9/13 at 7:14 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Posted on 5/9/13 at 7:14 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
In addition, I will go further and say the same anti-UAB bias existed on the UAT BOT as recently as 2011 when they refused to even take a vote on whether UAB could move forward with approval for plans to build a stadium to get out of Legion Field. They also lied when they said they would vote on it. My guess is UAB had the votes but some of the more powerful board members tabled the motion (Bryant Jr being the most likely suspect).
I already linked an article from the Bham news saying as much yesterday (absent the naming of Bryant Jr).
I already linked an article from the Bham news saying as much yesterday (absent the naming of Bryant Jr).
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Posted on 5/9/13 at 7:15 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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gump
Your excessive use of language like this really diminishes your credibility. Notice I have not once called you a barner, etc. You would think living in Miami your obsessive hatred of UA would diminish, but you seem overwhelmed by it.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 7:18 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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anti-UAB bias existed on the UAT BOT as recently as 2011
What does the UAT BOT have to do with UAB since they are, as you contend, separate entities? It is the UA System BOT you take issue with.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 7:28 pm to Monticello
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What does the UAT BOT have to do with UAB since they are, as you contend, separate entities? It is the UA System BOT you take issue with.
How many times does it have to be explained to you?
It gets tiresome and repetative. Like talking to a wall.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 7:29 pm to Monticello
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Your excessive use of language like this really diminishes your credibility
No it doesn't. Not in this case at all. Why? Because I have facts and reason on my side.
You have nothing.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 7:38 pm to Monticello
Here you go. From an ALABAMA FAN in regards to the unethical actions by the UA BOT regarding UAB.
Sorta ironic that UAB is the economic breadwinner and engine, not UAT. "Like the tail wagging the dog"...
Sorta ironic that UAB is the economic breadwinner and engine, not UAT. "Like the tail wagging the dog"...
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UAB booster Adam Cohen responds to the decision by the University of Alabama System Board of Trustees to not hear UAB's proposal for an on-campus football stadium. Cohen had made a five-year commitment to lease one of the stadium suites.
Here is Cohen's response to the decision:
A Board of Trustees is just what the term states - a board that can be trusted to represent the best interest of the institution and people they govern. As a member of boards myself, and from sitting on committees that frequently make decisions regarding the best interest of companies, I understand the conflicts that often involved in such decisions. Often I find myself personally wanting one thing, but understanding the larger picture and needing to hear the entire story before making the best decision.
Given that context, is the proposed stadium the best move for UAB? I believe the answer to that question is "YES", for the following reasons:
1) It allows UAB to compete at the level at which it should be able to compete. UAB is defining itself with this 27,500 seat stadium - that's right, a 27,500 seat stadium. That's barely a quarter of the seats at Bryant-Denny stadium, and only 30% of the seats at Jordan-Hare. We are not delusion at UAB, and expecting to reach the levels of success that Alabama or Auburn has achieved. Our model and our competition is Southern Mississippi, UCF, Marshall, and frankly in our own state, Troy.
2) The proposed stadium makes money - over $5,000,000 a year. With bond rates at historic lows, there has never been a more fiscally responsible time for this move. UAB was asked to show financial support for the stadium - 2 years away from the earliest possible completion date, they produced 27 contracts for luxury boxes which would generate revenue of over $600,000 annually and committed for 5 years. We also have millions committed toward the $15,000,000 in private donations that needed to be raised.
A key fact that continually seems to be lost in this equation is that UAB is the economic engine in the UA system. It is a $2 Billion annual business and a $4 -$5 Billion economic driver in the Birmingham community every year. It's a cliché, but outside the world of college football, UAB is clearly the dog and apparently the tail is wagging it.
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UAB is attempting to define itself and its athletics program with this move. The on-campus stadium is a reasonable and logical request, and UAB needs to be allowed to grow and mature into the institution that it can become. Obviously, I am a UAB fan but I also bleed Crimson and I always will. I am "trusting" that the Board of Trustees will step up and do what is right as "Trustees". Roll Tide and Go Blazers!
Posted on 5/9/13 at 7:40 pm to TigerJames
Posted on 5/9/13 at 7:41 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Your excessive use of language like this really diminishes your credibility
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No it doesn't
Yes, it does. You sound like some idiot from ITAT so nobody takes you seriously.
But honestly, are you a big UAB fan or do you just really hate Alabama?
Posted on 5/9/13 at 7:41 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Members of the Free UAB movement made the presence known today in Birmingham at the University of Alabama System Board of Trustees. About 40 members of the group showed up. They are not giving up on their demands for a larger say on the board.
UAB SGA President Brad Watts addressed the board. Watts says UAB has overcome doubters in the past and will in the future. Watts says the group does not know the meaning of defeat.
"We make it happen, and that doesn't mean the road isn't rough or challenging of difficult. It means we fight the good fight until we can't fight anymore," Watts said.
Supporters applauded Watts after he finished his speech to the board. UAB alumnus say they believe their school is being short changed by the board in favor of the University of Alabama.
"It seems like there is a lot of lopsided treatment. There is definitely a favorite child in the board of trustee house," John Smith said.
The group believes their movement is more than a push for an on campus football stadium. They want more representation on the board of trustees.
"We will not go away. The representation issue will exist until it's corrected. It is not corrected today," Sabrina Baker said.
Members of Free UAB turned their back on the board as they voted for a new trustee. Kenneth Vandervoort, while a graduate of the UAB School of Medicine he received his undergraduate degree from the University of Alabama.
"At this point we are just wanting to be treated fairly, "Smith said. When asked if the group would favor breaking away from the UA System, Smith said no comment.
Honestly, I am tired of this. It is obvious I am right and you are wrong.
However, you want to keep fighting a losing fight, I will keep airing bama's dirty laundry. It is an endless pile in this mess and there is no shortage of material to pull from and paste from a variety of sources.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 7:42 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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I am confident 95%+ of people that have no dog in the fight can come to the same conclusions I have.
Actually, not to nitpick but said 95% hasn't cared enough to weigh in one way or the other. Just sayin'.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 7:47 pm to mwlewis
Just for you Lewis...
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You cannot trust the Board of Trustees
Nov 15, 2011
Welcome to the Old Boys’ Club called the University of Alabama System Board of Trustees. If you have been living under a rock for the past few weeks, they are the ones responsible for declining UAB’s bid to have an on-campus stadium.
This is not an article about whether or not UAB should have a stadium, but rather one about how we can tolerate such an unjust and poorly represented Board of Trustees. All of the data I cite is taken from the University of Alabama System Board of Trustees website.
I did not have to look far to find inconsistencies. The Board of Trustees violates its own Board Manual, similar to a constitution, from the very first page. This is only the tip of the iceberg, ladies and gentlemen! The first page of the manual explicitly sets out how the Board will be set up.
Please note that the Board is self-selecting, which inevitably leads to the Old Boys’ Club I mentioned earlier. According to the manual, the Board is to be “composed of three members… [from] Tuscaloosa County…and two members elected by the Board from each of the other congressional districts in the State of Alabama.” Currently, the Board only has fourteen members (one less than mandated). District 2 happens to have three members, while Districts 1 and 5 only have one member each. This does not strike me as fair representation.
Okay, maybe there is justice as to which school each member is beholden to. Don’t hold your breath. The Board is currently composed of twelve UAT graduates (including the law school) and two UAB graduates. This is fraudulent representation. Obviously, UAT is overrepresented, UAB is underrepresented and UAH does not even exist on the Board. Maybe one’s alma mater may not influence one’s decisions, but I would not bet the farm on it.
I still want to give the Board the benefit of the doubt; maybe this skewed representation stems from the relative student enrollment at each school. But if representation were based upon student enrollment, UAT would have eight members, UAB would have five and UAH would have two.
Maybe, just maybe, representation is based upon the amount of money flowing to and from each university. UAT is in control of huge athletic revenue, which UAB and UAH cannot hope to match. Though in terms of assets, UAB would win eight seats, UAT would win six, and UAH would get one.
So where is the fairness? Your guess is as good as mine. 86 percent of the Board is beholden to UAT, with Paul W. Bryant Jr. commanding the helm, while the remaining 14 percent can only hope to influence the other board members to allocate UAB whatever money will not be spent on upgrades to Bryant-Denny Stadium. There is no realization that UAB brings in almost 80 percent of all government contracts and grants to the UA System.
It is blindingly obvious now why the Board of Trustees did not even discuss the notion of giving UAB an on-campus stadium. UAT holds a strong influence over the Board of Trustees’ decisions; UAB and UAH seem to be only afterthoughts.
The Board needs to be overhauled and a concrete system of representation must be chosen. Representation based upon student enrollment would be the fairest option, which would still give UAT the majority. If the Board cannot even manage that simple feat, I have little choice but to advocate secession from the University of Alabama System.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 7:49 pm to cyde
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Actually, not to nitpick but said 95% hasn't cared enough to weigh in one way or the other. Just sayin'
I know. I think I have lost my damn mind continuing to respond.
I just get annoyed by people who argue a lost cause for no damn reason. It is like, maybe I can make one fool see the obvious, but that usually doesn't work.
So I am probably the fool for even trying and the joke is on me.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 7:50 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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I just get annoyed by people who argue a lost cause for no damn reason
Irony
Posted on 5/9/13 at 7:53 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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I just get annoyed by people who argue a lost cause for no damn reason. It is like, maybe I can make one fool see the obvious, but that usually doesn't work
Perhaps arguing for UAB's football program one way or the other is a lost cause as well, though.
It's like... you can point out injustices and cite sources until you're blue in the face, and at the end of the day, people just say, "Oh. Huh. UAB you say? Ain't that a bitch? Oh well..."
It isn't even worth it.
This post was edited on 5/9/13 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 5/9/13 at 7:56 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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How many times does it have to be explained to you?
It gets tiresome and repetative. Like talking to a wall.
I fully understand what you are saying. But what you are saying is wrong. Stop calling it the UAT Board. It is the UA System Board, which is not controlled by any one campus. I do agree that your continued usage of this phrase is tiresome and repetitive though.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 7:58 pm to cyde
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Perhaps arguing for UAB's football program one way or the other is a lost cause as well, though.
Maybe it is now, maybe at one point, if different decisions had been made, things would be different though.
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It isn't even worth it.
Yep. I have tried to bow out of this thread multiple times, but keep getting called out and come back to prove the same points (which I believe I have done sufficiently 5 times over).
I'm gonna try again though. Beacause the joke is still on me for my inability to let it go and say frick it.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 8:00 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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I will keep airing bama's dirty laundry.
Carry on, oh brave and tireless NtY soldier! Fight this worthy battle against the gumps, bammers, bams, and Updykes who so cowardly seek to trample the noble efforts of Auburn and UAB!
Posted on 5/9/13 at 8:00 pm to Monticello
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Stop calling it the UAT Board. It is the UA System Board
Yeah, I stopped. UA board. I still use UAT to distinguish from UAB which is fair.
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not controlled by any one campus
This is not true. Read the last article I posted. UAT controls the board. UAT has no bias against UAB as a whole EXCEPT in football, where they have a HUGE anti-UAB bias, and it is obvious.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 8:01 pm to Bama Bird
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Irony
Posted on 5/9/13 at 8:02 pm to Monticello
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Carry on, oh brave and tireless NtY soldier! Fight this worthy battle against the gumps, bammers, bams, and Updykes who so cowardly seek to trample the noble efforts of Auburn and UAB!
I identify as a "Bam" personally, how about you?
Charles from Reeltown and Tammy helped me realize and accept this.
This post was edited on 5/9/13 at 8:03 pm
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