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re: So BR is reporting that Ole Miss has give Kiffin until the Egg bowl
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:40 pm to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:40 pm to SidewalkTiger
It’s a little different now that you can flat out pay players.
Making all the legal raises the price tag. Considerably.
Making all the legal raises the price tag. Considerably.
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:41 pm to BurnsideStyle
That not what was said. But I do agree about Keith. He is putting the screws now to Lane. Remember all of this has been created by Lane cutting loose that fat POS Jimmy Sexton. The day that guy goes the way of the Do Do there will be celebrations across endless campuses.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:42 pm to Tex117
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It’s a little different now that you can flat out pay players.
Making all the legal raises the price tag. Considerably.
This logic doesn't add up.
If Texas invested a ton in football pre NIL and Ole Miss didn't, why will Texas suddenly stop and Ole Miss suddenly start?
They won't.
People are just attributing any and all non power success these days to NIL.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:47 pm to SidewalkTiger
Players for the most part aren’t that loyal. Most know they won’t get a shot at the NFL. They come from humble financial backgrounds. Money talks. And every team is on tv nowadays. So the old advantages don’t apply.
That is why so many big time programs keep going through coaches. Not adapting. Hard for many to accept but it’s true.
That is why so many big time programs keep going through coaches. Not adapting. Hard for many to accept but it’s true.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:49 pm to Rebbedup
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Players for the most part aren’t that loyal. Most know they won’t get a shot at the NFL. They come from humble financial backgrounds. Money talks. And every team is on tv nowadays. So the old advantages don’t apply.
If the old advantages don't apply anymore, why do recruiting rankings and talent rankings still look the same?
Why are non traditional powers not winning titles?
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:52 pm to SidewalkTiger
And Texas hasn’t stopped. They were in the playoffs last year. This year they were breaking in a new offensive line and quarterback. LSU wasn’t. This isn’t 1980. Things have changed. It isn’t just luck Vanderbilt hit the top ten this year. They aren’t finished either. That is an alumni with plenty of cash. Lots of it. Now they can use it.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:55 pm to Rebbedup
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And Texas hasn’t stopped. They were in the playoffs last year. This year they were breaking in a new offensive line and quarterback. LSU wasn’t. This isn’t 1980. Things have changed. It isn’t just luck Vanderbilt hit the top ten this year. They aren’t finished either. That is an alumni with plenty of cash. Lots of it. Now they can use it.
Nothing was keeping them from using their cash before.
They could've paid a coach a ton and built great facilities, they chose not to. That's the hole in your argument.
How was Mississippi State #1 in 2015 and Ole Miss at #3 without NIL?
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:57 pm to SidewalkTiger
Because high school kids aren’t where the majority of the money is being put. Look, we recruited a left handed kid and he was earmarked as starter for this year. Come to find out Charlie Weise Jr found a kid in D2. Convinced him to hit the portal and paid for him. Wouldn’t LSU kill to have Chambliss. Charlie had to put some time in convincing Kiffin also. Might be the first good thing Chuck has done at Ole Miss.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:00 am to Rebbedup
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Because high school kids aren’t where the majority of the money is being put. Look, we recruited a left handed kid and he was earmarked as starter for this year. Come to find out Charlie Weise Jr found a kid in D2. Convinced him to hit the portal and paid for him. Wouldn’t LSU kill to have Chambliss. Charlie had to put some time in convincing Kiffin also. Might be the first good thing Chuck has done at Ole Miss.
None of that is different than it ever has been.
10 years ago, Vandy was last in the conference in talent. They still are. They just have a better quarterback and coaching this year.
That's always been the case, if you have a good coach and quarterback play, you can be good. Now, people are trying to attribute that to NIL.
We've had G5 schools in the top 10 for decades.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:00 am to SidewalkTiger
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This logic doesn't add up. If Texas invested a ton in football pre NIL and Ole Miss didn't, why will Texas suddenly stop and Ole Miss suddenly start? They won't. People are just attributing any and all non power success these days to NIL.
Biggest difference is the NCAA maintained the status quo. Those who were not in the approved tier but who wanted to pay to play were smitten by the NCAA.
Now, all who are willling and able can pay to play.
Some schools aren’t willing. Some aren’t able.
Ole Miss has always been willing and able.
Ole Miss will eventually buy its way itself into a title. A&M will do the same. SMU will become a perrinial playoff team. There are others coming now, too. If Lane got his shite together, he might even have a shot this year.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:02 am to Mempho
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Biggest difference is the NCAA maintained the status quo. Those who were not in the approved tier but who wanted to pay to play were smitten by the NCAA.
Now, all who are willling and able can pay to play.
Some schools aren’t willing. Some aren’t able.
Ole Miss has always been willing and able.
Ole Miss will eventually buy its way itself into a title. A&M will do the same. SMU will become a perrinial playoff team. There are others coming now, too. If Lane got his shite together, he might even have a shot this year.
Respectfully, that's dumb.
Ole Miss was paying kids in the 90's.
And A&M isn't the same as Ole Miss or SMU. They've developed a contender organically, they were doing so before NIL was even a thing. They just haven't had the right coach yet.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:03 am to SidewalkTiger
Neither of those rankings were the end of the year. And you said we all cheated so there’s that. And Vanderbilt didn’t invest in sports because they didn’t think it would help. Until a loophole in baseball came along. They jumped all over it. And what was the results? 5 World Series and 2 national championships. Not to mention 4 SEC titles.
You are whistling through the graveyard. Good news for you js Kiffin understands this and knows how to use that money. He won’t sign 25 high school kids. More like 15 then hit the portal and spend your money.
You are whistling through the graveyard. Good news for you js Kiffin understands this and knows how to use that money. He won’t sign 25 high school kids. More like 15 then hit the portal and spend your money.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:08 am to Rebbedup
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Neither of those rankings were the end of the year.
Cincinnati made a 4 team playoff a few years ago. TCU played for a natty.
Now you're trying to attribute that same type of success to NIL or some "new era".
It's confirmation bias.
The only thing that has actually changed is the top schools aren't hoarding quite as much talent so there is a bit more parity.
Schools like Ole Miss and Mizzou are still getting the castoffs though and there's still clearly a pecking order.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:09 am to SidewalkTiger
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Respectfully, that's dumb. Ole Miss was paying kids in the 90's. And A&M isn't the same as Ole Miss or SMU. They've developed a contender organically, they were doing so before NIL was even a thing. They just haven't had the right coach yet.
I think you missed the point. Ole Miss, SMU and A&M have all shown a willingness to pay to play before it was legal. A&M was ALSO paying players in the ‘90s.
The fans of each school are highly willing and able to pay for players in the NIL era. Some schools don’t have that same willingness or ability.
I’m predicting that each of these schools will be contend on a regular basis in the NIL era.
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Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:11 am to SidewalkTiger
None of your arguments hold up. In the 90s and 2010s the NCAA decided who was investigated and who wasn’t. Also who was guilty and who was not. Now the courts have decided a money/favoritism system isn’t legal. You refuse to realize the world is changing. There is no more help i can give you.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:12 am to Mempho
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The fans of each school are highly willing and able to pay for players in the NIL era. Some schools don’t have that same willingness or ability.
I’m predicting that each of these schools will be contend on a regular basis in the NIL era
Who doesn't have that willingness or ability?
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:13 am to Rebbedup
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None of your arguments hold up. In the 90s and 2010s the NCAA decided who was investigated and who wasn’t. Also who was guilty and who was not. Now the courts have decided a money/favoritism system isn’t legal. You refuse to realize the world is changing. There is no more help i can give you.
Give me literally any example of any of this being true.
Why do you believe that everything has changed now?
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:19 am to SidewalkTiger
I’ve already told you. But I will tell you again. Tim Cook graduated from Auburn in 1982. If you were a billionaire you wouldn’t be here. He is worth 2.6 billion. That’s dollars genius. He could change Auburn’s future overnight. But he has not bothered.
That is what I’m talking about. It isn’t what your average fan can do…it’s what one person can change. And high school recruits don’t count. After one year they will hit the portal if they have potential to play and make more money.
That is what I’m talking about. It isn’t what your average fan can do…it’s what one person can change. And high school recruits don’t count. After one year they will hit the portal if they have potential to play and make more money.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:26 am to Rebbedup
Again, that has always been the case. The programs that invested the most became power programs.
It's how LSU became a power in the early 2000's.
It's how Clemson became a power in the mid 2010's.
This is what A&M is doing.
Meanwhile, programs like Baylor and Stanford and others had good seasons here and there, because they had good coaches and fortuitous schedules, but they were never real contenders.
This is what Ole Miss, Mizzou, Indiana, and others are doing.
It's how LSU became a power in the early 2000's.
It's how Clemson became a power in the mid 2010's.
This is what A&M is doing.
Meanwhile, programs like Baylor and Stanford and others had good seasons here and there, because they had good coaches and fortuitous schedules, but they were never real contenders.
This is what Ole Miss, Mizzou, Indiana, and others are doing.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:30 am to SidewalkTiger
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Who doesn't have that willingness or ability?
I don’t think that’s the proper way to look at it necessarily. Obviously, there are schools that are floundering in the NIL collectives games such as…
Arkansas. State. Nebraska.
HOWEVER,
The biggest issue amongst schools that are playing the game is that NIL spreads out the talent and destroys depth…creating a two-tier parity of sorts…relative parity amongst the schools that are paying.., while the schools that aren’t paying the market value are mostly locked out from the upper tier.
So, the old SEC had- before NIL and expansion- this notion of the Big 6. Let’s go ahead and say that it would have been 8 in the post-expansion era (without NIL).
With NIL, it will become more like 12 (instead of 8) that are in Tier 1 in the SEC.
A&M would likely be the biggest poster child of schools making the jump.
And- no Aggies- you were not Big 6 before the NIL era.
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