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Posted on 5/17/13 at 8:38 am to TerrorOnTheHighSeas
Hell to the MF NO
They've got hot girls, and it's a fun party school. But as far as athletics that's laughable to even consider them.
They've got hot girls, and it's a fun party school. But as far as athletics that's laughable to even consider them.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 8:50 am to 3rddownonthe8
I think there are some confused folks in here today. "NOT selling WF" is not computing and App St was sarcastic as hell - but hey, they get us the market. 
Posted on 5/17/13 at 8:57 am to nc14
The sec doesn't beer goggle but i do 
This post was edited on 5/17/13 at 9:00 am
Posted on 5/17/13 at 9:21 am to EvilVodka
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That is completely meaningless in terms of expansion
Here are some metrics for the NC schools by rank :
Endowment
#1 Duke = ~ 5.6 billion
#2 UNC = ~ 2.2 billion
#3 Wake = ~ 1.0 billion
#4 NCST = ~ 0.6 billion
#5 ECU = ~ 0.1 billion
Enrollment
#1 ~ 35 K = NCST
#2 ~ 29 K = UNC
#3 ~ 27 K = ECU
#4 ~ 14 K = Duke
#5 ~ 7 K = Wake
AAU status
UNC = YES
Duke = YES
NCST = NO
Wake = NO
ECU = NO
SoCon or SIAA membership
UNC = founding member of SIAA, founding member of SoCon
NCST = joined SIAA in 1898, founding member of SoCon
Duke = SIAA member when they were Trinity College, joined SoCon in 1928
Wake = joined SoCon in 1936
ECU = no SIAA membership and SoCon member in 60's and 70's (after SEC and ACC members had gone)
(FWIW : USC and TAMU were both SIAA members and South Carolina joined the SoCon the year after formation)
Sports
#1 UNC = 5 NCAA MCBB (38 National Championships in all sports)
#2 Duke = 4 NCAA MCBB (12 National Championships in all sports)
#3 NCST = 2 NCAA MCBB (2 National Championships in all sports)
#4 Wake = 1 CWS (8 National Championships in all sports)
#5 ECU = No national championships in any sport
Tobacco Road membership
UNC = YES
NCST = YES
Duke = YES
Wake = YES
ECU = NO
Posted on 5/17/13 at 9:30 am to Cheese Grits
I don't think ECU should even be considered. But I do think that ECU > MIZZOU. That just goes to show how bad of a fit MIZZOU is. I think the SEC just felt the need to grab schools while the "gettin' was good" so to speak. T-A&M is a really good fit. Maybe not ideal, but they were certainly the best available. But to get them we had to let MIZZOU tag along just to balance the divisions out unfortunatly. ECU would at least add another good baseball team and middle of the road football team. MIZZOU only adds an underwhelming basketball team that chokes every postseason.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 10:37 am to Cheese Grits
quote:
Here are some metrics for the NC schools by rank :
Endowment
#1 Duke = ~ 5.6 billion
#2 UNC = ~ 2.2 billion
#3 Wake = ~ 1.0 billion
#4 NCST = ~ 0.6 billion
#5 ECU = ~ 0.1 billion
Enrollment
#1 ~ 35 K = NCST
#2 ~ 29 K = UNC
#3 ~ 27 K = ECU
#4 ~ 14 K = Duke
#5 ~ 7 K = Wake
AAU status
UNC = YES
Duke = YES
NCST = NO
Wake = NO
ECU = NO
SoCon or SIAA membership
UNC = founding member of SIAA, founding member of SoCon
NCST = joined SIAA in 1898, founding member of SoCon
Duke = SIAA member when they were Trinity College, joined SoCon in 1928
Wake = joined SoCon in 1936
ECU = no SIAA membership and SoCon member in 60's and 70's (after SEC and ACC members had gone)
(FWIW : USC and TAMU were both SIAA members and South Carolina joined the SoCon the year after formation)
Sports
#1 UNC = 5 NCAA MCBB (38 National Championships in all sports)
#2 Duke = 4 NCAA MCBB (12 National Championships in all sports)
#3 NCST = 2 NCAA MCBB (2 National Championships in all sports)
#4 Wake = 1 CWS (8 National Championships in all sports)
#5 ECU = No national championships in any sport
Tobacco Road membership
UNC = YES
NCST = YES
Duke = YES
Wake = YES
ECU = NO
this is the longest list of BS I've ever seen....Tobacco Road membership???
AAU status? that might mean something if we were the B1G...
You do understand that the 4 programs you're comparing ECU to are UNAVAILABLE, don't you??
Expansion has evolved in the last 2 years....we're not talking what expansion USED to be, its a new game now. Most of you aren't getting it...
THE BRAND is the SEC, NOT East Carolina...anyone we pick is going to improve drastically anyways. Recruiting would immediately shoot through the roof even if we grabbed freaking RICE
The SEC BRAND is already established...you need to think of expansion in reverse. Where can we put the SEC network....
NC and Virginia are key areas for expansion, but the ACC took them off the market, hence someone like East Carolina makes sense
I guess business sense doesn't always sit well with sports fans...
Posted on 5/17/13 at 10:43 am to EvilVodka
Avg Attendace rankings nationally, SEC & NC Teams
Rank School Avg Att Capac %
3 ALA 101,722 101,821 99.90%
6 UGA 92,703 92,746 99.95%
7 LSU 92,626 92,542 100.09%
8 TEN 89,965 102,455 87.81%
10 FLO 87,597 88,548 98.93%
11 TAM 87,014 82,589 105.36%
14 AUB 82,646 87,451 94.51%
17 USC 80,001 80,250 99.69%
23 ARK 68,046 72,000 94.51%
24 MIZ 67,476 71,004 95.03%
30 OMS 57,066 60,580 94.20%
35 MSS 55,628 55,082 100.99%
37 NCS 54,106 57,583 93.96%
38 UNC 50,286 62,980 79.84%
41 KEN 49,691 67,606 73.50%
45 ECU 47,013 50,000 94.03%
62 VAN 37,860 39,790 95.15%
78 WFU 28,912 31,500 91.78%
79 DUK 28,170 33,941 83.00%
Rank School Avg Att Capac %
3 ALA 101,722 101,821 99.90%
6 UGA 92,703 92,746 99.95%
7 LSU 92,626 92,542 100.09%
8 TEN 89,965 102,455 87.81%
10 FLO 87,597 88,548 98.93%
11 TAM 87,014 82,589 105.36%
14 AUB 82,646 87,451 94.51%
17 USC 80,001 80,250 99.69%
23 ARK 68,046 72,000 94.51%
24 MIZ 67,476 71,004 95.03%
30 OMS 57,066 60,580 94.20%
35 MSS 55,628 55,082 100.99%
37 NCS 54,106 57,583 93.96%
38 UNC 50,286 62,980 79.84%
41 KEN 49,691 67,606 73.50%
45 ECU 47,013 50,000 94.03%
62 VAN 37,860 39,790 95.15%
78 WFU 28,912 31,500 91.78%
79 DUK 28,170 33,941 83.00%
This post was edited on 5/17/13 at 10:47 am
Posted on 5/17/13 at 10:46 am to TerrorOnTheHighSeas
I like you guys b/c you are Pirates.
I personally would not mind ECU if the SEC decideds they want to grow a brand but I think y'all would face a ton of opposition.
I personally would not mind ECU if the SEC decideds they want to grow a brand but I think y'all would face a ton of opposition.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 10:47 am to 3rddownonthe8
ATTENDANCE STATE CHAMPS!
Posted on 5/17/13 at 10:48 am to TerrorOnTheHighSeas
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Here is a bleacher report article on this subject:
I loled IRL
Posted on 5/17/13 at 10:49 am to 3rddownonthe8
quote:
Avg Attendace rankings nationally, SEC & NC Teams
Rank School Avg Att Capac %
3 Alabama 101,722 101,821 99.90%
6 Georgia 92,703 92,746 99.95%
7 LSU 92,626 92,542 100.09%
8 Tennessee 89,965 102,455 87.81%
10 Florida 87,597 88,548 98.93%
11 Texas A&M 87,014 82,589 105.36%
14 Auburn 82,646 87,451 94.51%
17 South Car 80,001 80,250 99.69%
23 Arkansas 68,046 72,000 94.51%
24 Missouri 67,476 71,004 95.03%
30 Ole Miss 57,066 60,580 94.20%
35 Miss State 55,628 55,082 100.99%
37 N.C. State 54,106 57,583 93.96%
38 North Car 50,286 62,980 79.84%
41 Kentucky 49,691 67,606 73.50%
45 East Carolina 47,013 50,000 94.03%
62 Vanderbilt 37,860 39,790 95.15%
78 Wake Forest 28,912 31,500 91.78%
79 Duke 28,170 33,941 83.00%
so do you think that number would change if they were in the SEC? If so, what's the value of this info??
Posted on 5/17/13 at 10:52 am to DollaChoppa
my whole point is , most of the argument is because they are not cirrently in on of the Big 5 confereces and they have East in thier name. That's it. Today we all would take VA Tech, 20 years ago???
Sometime you got to think out of the box, the ACC thinks they locked you out of the NC market. So throw Money into the market and take it!
Sometime you got to think out of the box, the ACC thinks they locked you out of the NC market. So throw Money into the market and take it!
Posted on 5/17/13 at 10:53 am to TerrorOnTheHighSeas
The SEC could care less about the NC market. The SEC wants the Virgina market with gives you NC, Maryland, and Virginia by default. I like the idea of East Carolina but they don't have the pockets to compete in this league. It is interesting how all these small schools are coming into the conversation though with all the money the network is about to provide to each school. Makes all the small schools who could never dream of expanding beg to get noticed by Slive.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 10:54 am to 3rddownonthe8
quote:
my whole point is , most of the argument is because they are not cirrently in on of the Big 5 confereces and they have East in thier name. That's it. Today we all would take VA Tech, 20 years ago???
Sometime you got to think out of the box, the ACC thinks they locked you out of the NC market. So throw Money into the market and take it!
Exactly!
so who would be #16?? Cincinnati? West Virginia?
Are any of the Kansas schools in play?
I don't see OU or Okie State wanting to join...
Posted on 5/17/13 at 10:55 am to 3rddownonthe8
quote:
Sometime you got to think out of the box, the ACC thinks they locked you out of the NC market. So throw Money into the market and take it!
What exactly is the prize here? Charolette? Get a Virginia school and half the people in Charolette will be watching because they are from Virginia originally.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 10:55 am to MaroonNation
quote:
I like the idea of East Carolina but they don't have the pockets to compete in this league.
you don't think that would change with SEC $$$?
Posted on 5/17/13 at 10:57 am to EvilVodka
East Carolina would be decades behind State, Vandy, Kentucky, Mizzou and Ole Miss in facilities.
This post was edited on 5/17/13 at 10:59 am
Posted on 5/17/13 at 11:00 am to EvilVodka
quote:
I don't see OU or Okie State wanting to join...
It would be funny to watch stoops eat all of that crow if SEC threw money at OU.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 11:00 am to MaroonNation
quote:
East Carolina would be decades behind State, Vandy, Kentucky, Mizzou and Ole Miss in facilities
again, I think East Carolina would immediately start upgrading facilities...
Look at what A&M is doing...
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