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Posted on 7/21/11 at 11:06 am to bamabeast12
ATPB - THE SEQUEL
Soon this thread will be 1800 pages of loonies
Soon this thread will be 1800 pages of loonies
Posted on 7/21/11 at 11:07 am to WDE24
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Cecil wanted money and had a contact at MSU who appears to have convinced him that he could get it. Cecil and Rogers got rejected by MSU. I think it is perfectly logical that Cam went somewhere for free after his dad asked for money and was turned down. Did Cecil have the right contacts to get paid at AU? I don't know. It is possible, but it isn't like it is the only reasonable conclusion.
Do you think anyone, coach, alumni or booster knew anything about there being an offer talked about by Cecil and MSU?
Posted on 7/21/11 at 11:07 am to winyahpercy
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again, agree 100%. the FBI isn't carrying the NCAA's water and they don't have the manpower to chase every potential crime that they hear about. and they have absolutely no desire to wade into the decisive politics of busting up big college football and the BCS. there had to be a reason to interview Bond, and it had to be more substantial than trying to catch the Newton's on tax evasion or postal fraud.
Yea - Something fishy as hell about the FBI even blinking an eye at this.
You got an agent (Rogers) that played ball yrs ago in Mississippi, trying to run a P4P scam for a preacher from Georgia whose son is in Juco in Texas. The agent makes all the necessary connections to his old school via meetings in a hotel after a MSU game ~ he then reaches out to an old teammate that he thinks has the $$ and tries to setup a payment plan for the preacher. In the midst of all this, the agent calls another teammate (John Bond) and fills him in on the scheme. Bond doesn't like what he's hearing from the agent and calls the school and reports what he's been told, which puts the brakes on the whole deal with MSU and gets the AD, SEC & NCAA involved. Bond did the right thing by reporting to MSU administration ~ Why the hell would the FBI give a rats arse what John Bond had to say?
Posted on 7/21/11 at 11:07 am to Itsme2011
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Agree 100%. What they do care about is money crossing state lines, laundering, racketeering, etc. All of which would be possible crimes committed if a player was "bought" by a school (not saying Cam & AU, but any player to any school).
See.. there you have it. IF the FBI doesn't give a rip about NCAA football, then why would they interview anybody. There has to be an answer.
it could be perfectly legal for me to send Cecil a check from SC to him in Georgia for Cam to play football in Alabama. the Feds pursue money laundering and RICO charges against criminals that they find operating substantial organized crime schemes (drug dealing, gambling, stolen goods, bid rigging, etc.) that should have absolutely nothing to do w/ college football. which is why there has to be more to the investigation of why John Bond was interviewed then to see how they could find a crime w/ Cam getting some money.
Posted on 7/21/11 at 11:08 am to Lg
quote:I have no idea. I would guess not.
Do you think anyone, coach, alumni or booster knew anything about there being an offer talked about by Cecil and MSU?
Posted on 7/21/11 at 11:08 am to AU03ALUM
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Soon this thread will be 1800 pages of loonies
Only because you don't don't like the content and the direction this thing is headed.
Posted on 7/21/11 at 11:10 am to lowspark12
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you're reading into it exactly what you want... you've already connect dots that aren't there.
No, I simply laid out the things we know to be true.
1) Cecil wanted money. WE know this to be true.
2) Cecil had a chance at his last interview to say he didnt take money. He didnt say that. We know this to be true.
3) The FBI talked to a player in this scandal. WE know this to be true.
4) The NCAA has been investigating Auburn for 8 months. We know this to be true.
(On a side note, I dont know of an investigationt that lasted this long and didnt result in penaltis but ill bck off that position should someone inform me of one).
5). Danny Sherridan says his sources believe they have found the bagman. WE know it to be true that Sherridan said this.
These are the things we know. Im not "connecting dots" nor am i reaching for things that may or may not be true. These things listed are true. How am i connecting dots?
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No sense in really arguing with you anyway.
Well, because i have been careful to list facts, which are difficult to argue with
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bottom line is there is no connection between cecil newton and Auburn,
I would say Cam is a big connection. Daddy wanted money. Cam went to Auburn. Its enough to raise suspicions.
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regardless of what rambling BS sheridan puts out there...
Question for you, do you think Sherridan is lying? Picking on Auburn? Being a "bammer"?
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until someone produces that link I'll remain confident in AU's case
Confident in their case or in their innocence? Those are two very different things.
Posted on 7/21/11 at 11:10 am to bamabeast12
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bamabeast12 :
this is getting very interesting.
proof this is a lame thread
Posted on 7/21/11 at 11:12 am to secfan123
quote:So your response is, yes I am taking it out of context and ignoring everything else in that interview, but I can add it to a bunch of other speculation or "evidence" and make it look bad.
Again, its not like that occured in a vacuum. its no one thing, its a bunch of things added together.
Posted on 7/21/11 at 11:12 am to bamabeast12
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Only because you don't don't like the content and the direction this thing is headed.
Not really buddy. It's because this is an argument about the same shite that people have been bickering about on this site since Nov. ATPB has a section for every topic discussed in this thread lol. I haven't seen it but we all know its there.
Posted on 7/21/11 at 11:14 am to AU03ALUM
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I haven't seen it but we all know its there.
Lies, we all know you're a closet ATPB fan. I heard you fix your popcorn every night as you sit down to read everything posted that day.
Posted on 7/21/11 at 11:16 am to RT1941
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again, agree 100%. the FBI isn't carrying the NCAA's water and they don't have the manpower to chase every potential crime that they hear about. and they have absolutely no desire to wade into the decisive politics of busting up big college football and the BCS. there had to be a reason to interview Bond, and it had to be more substantial than trying to catch the Newton's on tax evasion or postal fraud.
Yea - Something fishy as hell about the FBI even blinking an eye at this.
You got an agent (Rogers) that played ball yrs ago in Mississippi, trying to run a P4P scam for a preacher from Georgia whose son is in Juco in Texas. The agent makes all the necessary connections to his old school via meetings in a hotel after a MSU game ~ he then reaches out to an old teammate that he thinks has the $$ and tries to setup a payment plan for the preacher. In the midst of all this, the agent calls another teammate (John Bond) and fills him in on the scheme. Bond doesn't like what he's hearing from the agent and calls the school and reports what he's been told, which puts the brakes on the whole deal with MSU and gets the AD, SEC & NCAA involved. Bond did the right thing by reporting to MSU administration ~ Why the hell would the FBI give a rats arse what John Bond had to say?
which leads to crux of the 1800 pages w/ the ATPB thread. the two big elephants in the room are:
1. bingo-gate where a lot of money was moving around to buy votes and influence.
2. colonial - uncle sam had to stroke a check for $2 billion to payoff their bad management so they have a very keen interest into finding any illegal mismanagement.
are there connections to Auburn w/ these two big elephants in the room? answer yes. however, it is speculative and it's just as plausible that crimes could have occurred that don't implicate Auburn.
Posted on 7/21/11 at 11:19 am to winyahpercy
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which leads to crux of the 1800 pages w/ the ATPB thread. the two big elephants in the room are:
1. bingo-gate where a lot of money was moving around to buy votes and influence.
2. colonial - uncle sam had to stroke a check for $2 billion to payoff their bad management so they have a very keen interest into finding any illegal mismanagement.
are there connections to Auburn w/ these two big elephants in the room? answer yes. however, it is speculative and it's just as plausible that crimes could have occurred that don't implicate Auburn.
Can we please leave bingo-gate and the colonial bank bullshite to the basement dwellers? Both of those topics were exhausted when that thread was still stickied before it got anchored.
Posted on 7/21/11 at 11:21 am to ThaKaptin
quote:He is a basement dweller.
Can we please leave bingo-gate and the colonial bank bullshite to the basement dwellers?
Posted on 7/21/11 at 11:21 am to WDE24
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So your response is, yes I am taking it out of context and ignoring everything else in that interview, but I can add it to a bunch of other speculation or "evidence" and make it look bad
I posted nothing but facts. The circumstantial evidence is bad at this point. And no, explaining one thing away isnt suspicious, but explaining a bunch of things away is. Thts thenature of evidence. Im not saying they have or will find enough to burn auburn. But I do believe that enough has been found that, if i were to become omniscient tommorrow, i would lay down better than even money today that Auburn paid him or his dad or some combo of the two. Sherridan would not lie about what his source told him, and his source wouldnt even mention a bagman if they werent damn certain they knew who he was. Getting him to talk may not be possible, ut like i said, i think if you're betting strictly on what happened, its better than even money auurn paid him.
This post was edited on 7/21/11 at 11:23 am
Posted on 7/21/11 at 11:22 am to winyahpercy
This is ridiculous. At present there is NO proof that AU did anything. Until there is it is all just fun ribbing among fans.
However, I do think that AU should probably stop Cecil from saying dumb shite like this if they don't want public & NCAA suspicion to continue to grow:
“I don’t really want to go back and rehash that and speak along the lines of what I did or didn’t do, what was said, what should have been said. I really don’t even want to open that can of worms because the investigation, from what they say, is ongoing."
Or this:
Asked whether he solicited money from Auburn, Newton said: “According to what the NCAA findings are, that’s what we’re going with"
However, I do think that AU should probably stop Cecil from saying dumb shite like this if they don't want public & NCAA suspicion to continue to grow:
“I don’t really want to go back and rehash that and speak along the lines of what I did or didn’t do, what was said, what should have been said. I really don’t even want to open that can of worms because the investigation, from what they say, is ongoing."
Or this:
Asked whether he solicited money from Auburn, Newton said: “According to what the NCAA findings are, that’s what we’re going with"
This post was edited on 7/21/11 at 11:27 am
Posted on 7/21/11 at 11:22 am to AU03ALUM
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Not really buddy. It's because this is an argument about the same shite that people have been bickering about on this site since Nov. ATPB has a section for every topic discussed in this thread lol. I haven't seen it but we all know its there.
Things of this nature take time. There is no rush to judgment by the FBI or NCAA...only from the fans and non-fans of a particular team. This message board has been on fire because it seems that auburn "may have" committed some shady acts.
I do believe this is not boding well for the "family". This is coming to a swift conclusion...people are gonna squeal and complete exposure will be the result. Again I say, at this point it isn't looking favorable for the auburn family.
Posted on 7/21/11 at 11:24 am to ThaKaptin
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Lies, we all know you're a closet ATPB fan. I heard you fix your popcorn every night as you sit down to read everything posted that day.
AAARRRRGHHHH! secrets have been revealed!! Must change username!!!!
Posted on 7/21/11 at 11:24 am to secfan123
quote:You are taking Cecil's latest quote out of context and using it as some form of admission. He said he was transparent with the NCAA and they had the truth in their files. Said he didn't want to re-open that can worms and then said he was going with the NCAA findings are.
I posted nothing but facts.
You however, present it as an admission and ignore the context and the fact that he has denied receiving any money in the past. You pick and choose what "facts" you want to believe and ignore the ones that don't fit the conclusion you believe to be true.
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