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re: Severe weather tornados again
Posted on 2/22/12 at 8:54 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
Posted on 2/22/12 at 8:54 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
So a fan of Bush's warming policies huh? 
Posted on 2/22/12 at 9:16 am to Summer of George
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human induced global warming is a crock of shite; the earth actually does cycle through warm/cold periods.
It also doesn't help that we are still in a moderate La Nina weather pattern which is notorious for producing dangerous spring severe weather seasons. Spring 1974 and Spring 2011 were moderate to strong La Ninas and we all know what those spring seasons produced.
Last year was an odd La Nina in that the sensible winter weather was very atypical of a La Nina in that it was a cold, snowy winter in the South. This winter has been much more typical of a La Nina. Furthermore, the strength of the polar vortex this winter and the almost record setting streak of consecutive days the AO (Arctic Ossilation) was positive contributed to such a s##### winter for cold weather lovers. La Ninas suck. Not only are the winters usually mild and snowless but severe weather is a big threat throughout the winter and the spring. About the only thing La Ninas are good for is they tend to produce quiet hurricane seasons.
P.S. and no I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
This post was edited on 2/22/12 at 9:18 am
Posted on 2/22/12 at 9:20 am to Govt Tide
In Alabama, you never want a really warm day in Jan or Feb. Tornadoes are always around the corner.
Posted on 2/22/12 at 9:20 am to Govt Tide
La Nina is weakening big time... Latest ENSO has us down to a -.7C ... -.5C to .5C is a Neutral (no La Nina or El Nino) and .5C plus is El Nino.
We will have a neutral Summer and a El Nino Fall and Winter of 2012-2013. Should be a very wild and cold next Fall/Winter.
We will have a neutral Summer and a El Nino Fall and Winter of 2012-2013. Should be a very wild and cold next Fall/Winter.
Posted on 2/22/12 at 9:20 am to TT9
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So a fan of Bush's warming policies huh?
frick yeah! My gas bill has been lower this year than ever before.
W for the win!
Posted on 2/22/12 at 9:21 am to Govt Tide
All I know is I love cold weather and this winter has sucked. 
Posted on 2/22/12 at 9:29 am to Daigeaux
What's crazy is that it has been a very anomalous winter for La Nina. Yes, it has been warmer, but it has been much much wetter than a typical La Nina Winter.
Factor in that the rest of the globe is in the deep freeze, and its very rare to see a wamr North America and a frozen Eastern Hemisphere and Europe.
Factor in that the rest of the globe is in the deep freeze, and its very rare to see a wamr North America and a frozen Eastern Hemisphere and Europe.
Posted on 2/22/12 at 9:52 am to Ball Gravy
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We will have a neutral Summer and a El Nino Fall and Winter of 2012-2013. Should be a very wild and cold next Fall/Winter.
Posted on 2/22/12 at 9:59 am to Ball Gravy
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What's crazy is that it has been a very anomalous winter for La Nina. Yes, it has been warmer, but it has been much much wetter than a typical La Nina Winter.
Factor in that the rest of the globe is in the deep freeze, and its very rare to see a wamr North America and a frozen Eastern Hemisphere and Europe.
The last 2 winters have been atypical in different ways. Great point about the unusually wet weather for a La Nina. Drought was a big concern throughout the South (especially in your neck of the woods) back in the Fall when the La Nina was strengthening.
Speaking of the arctic outbreak in Europe this winter, was that caused by a stratospheric warming event or was it just a case of the AO and NAO flipping to negative and instead of unleashing the motherload of cold air on us the flip sent it to the other side of the North Pole to Europe? The teleconnections seemed to be lining up nicely back in early January but "our" cold air got sent to Europe instead.
Posted on 2/22/12 at 11:27 am to Ball Gravy
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We will have a neutral Summer and a El Nino Fall and Winter of 2012-2013. Should be a very wild and cold next Fall/Winter.
Sounds good to me ~ anytime I can save $$ on the summer power bill is a good year.
I love cold weather, but I've enjoyed exceptionally low utility bills this winter.
Posted on 2/22/12 at 11:37 am to Ball Gravy
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We will have a neutral Summer and a El Nino Fall and Winter of 2012-2013. Should be a very wild and cold next Fall/Winter.
Posted on 2/22/12 at 11:42 am to RT1941
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I love cold weather, but I've enjoyed exceptionally low utility bills this winter.
The only decent thing about the warmer weather was the lower power bill. I hate balmy weather in the winter though. It's warm/hot at least 8 months a year so I at least want the 4 month span from early November to early March to be cold.
The one thing we unfortunately have to watch for in the scenario ball gravy mentions is a more active hurricane season with higher chances of landfalling hurricanes. The Gulf of Mexico is going to be boiling (even more than usual due to the warm winter) by the time we get to hurricane season which is a concern. Hopefully the La Nina rapidly falls apart so we don't have a repeat of last year's spring tornado season followed by the brutally hot summer.
Posted on 2/22/12 at 11:48 am to Govt Tide
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more active hurricane season
Hate it for the people that live on the coast, but living a little ways inland, I love hurricane parties. Hurricane Ivan in '04 I think it was, was the tits when it came through Auburn. We had a blast.
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don't have a repeat of last year's spring tornado season
:fingerscrossed:
This post was edited on 2/22/12 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 2/22/12 at 12:35 pm to TT9
It's not called Global Warming anymore. The term "climate change" is how the government and others attempt to make money.
I don't neccessarily disagree with climate change, but there's nothing humans can do about it. The climate has always been changing. North America used to be covered in ice. The Dark Ages were so called mainly because of the trend towards worse winters.
I also don't think weather is nearly as bad nor unpredictable as most seem to think it is. This isn't the warmest winter we've ever had nor is it the most violent.
I don't neccessarily disagree with climate change, but there's nothing humans can do about it. The climate has always been changing. North America used to be covered in ice. The Dark Ages were so called mainly because of the trend towards worse winters.
I also don't think weather is nearly as bad nor unpredictable as most seem to think it is. This isn't the warmest winter we've ever had nor is it the most violent.
Posted on 2/22/12 at 12:46 pm to deaux68
frick, if you live in Missouri you know that tornadoes can occur any time of the year. Doesn't matter if it's December, January, or February...you can get hit if you have a couple of days that are warmer than usual. We're always on the lookout for twisters here in the outpost...
This post was edited on 2/22/12 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 2/22/12 at 12:55 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
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Hurricane Ivan in '04 I think it was
Correct. Ivan was September of 04' and Katrina was August of 05'.
Ivan royally fricked up the Alabama Gulf Coast, and Florida Gulf Coast. My mother actually drove down to Gulf Shores before they shut down I65 South so she could be with her father in Foley, Alabama.
Posted on 2/22/12 at 1:03 pm to AUnite
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Ivan royally fricked up the Alabama Gulf Coast, and Florida Gulf Coast. My mother actually drove down to Gulf Shores before they shut down I65 South so she could be with her father in Foley, Alabama.
Yeah, I hate it for those on the coast. We just had a big arse house party for a couple days whileit passed over. That was until my dog got sick and laid a massive wet football shaped shite in the living room. Never seen so many people get in their cars and leave as quickly as they did.
Posted on 2/22/12 at 1:06 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
This Week's ENSO
Niño 4 = -0.9ºC
Niño 3.4 = -0.6ºC
Niño 3 = -0.1ºC
Niño 1+2 = 0.9ºC
Average
-0.175ºC or -0.2ºC
Last Week's ENSO
Niño 4 = -0.9ºC
Niño 3.4 = -1.0ºC
Niño 3 = -0.6ºC
Niño 1+2 = -0.4ºC
Average
-0.725ºC or -0.7ºC
The warming trend is happening as La Nina is fading. Interestingly, Region 1+2 has warmed up considerably and is in El Nino territory.
Most models are now predicting a weak El Nino by July to August. If true, it would be a first time since 2009 to go from La Nina to El Nino. Winters in those years tend to be cold.
Niño 4 = -0.9ºC
Niño 3.4 = -0.6ºC
Niño 3 = -0.1ºC
Niño 1+2 = 0.9ºC
Average
-0.175ºC or -0.2ºC
Last Week's ENSO
Niño 4 = -0.9ºC
Niño 3.4 = -1.0ºC
Niño 3 = -0.6ºC
Niño 1+2 = -0.4ºC
Average
-0.725ºC or -0.7ºC
The warming trend is happening as La Nina is fading. Interestingly, Region 1+2 has warmed up considerably and is in El Nino territory.
Most models are now predicting a weak El Nino by July to August. If true, it would be a first time since 2009 to go from La Nina to El Nino. Winters in those years tend to be cold.
Posted on 2/22/12 at 1:07 pm to Ball Gravy
Anything that is -.5C or less is La Nina
Anything .-5C to .5C is ENSO Neutral
Anything .5C or greater is El Nino.
Anything .-5C to .5C is ENSO Neutral
Anything .5C or greater is El Nino.
Posted on 2/22/12 at 2:17 pm to Ball Gravy
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The warming trend is happening as La Nina is fading. Interestingly, Region 1+2 has warmed up considerably and is in El Nino territory.
Knowing our luck in the Deep South the La Nina will continue to fall apart and we'll flip from a moderate La Nina to a moderate El Nino.
being a good example.
It is encouraging to see it fading so fast. I just wish this would have occured back in October and November so we could have salvaged a decent winter. Oh well, at least the summer heat shouldn't be nearly as bad as it was last year.
Aunite,
"Hurricane Ivan" and hurricane party in Auburn. You may have been a bit too young to remember this but your hurricane party comments remind me of my Auburn friends who were at Auburn in the mid 90s and rode out Hurricane Opal. That was a wild one in October of 1995. Briefly reached Cat 5 status in the middle of the Gulf making a beeline for Pensacola. It weakened to a Cat 3 but was accelerating so rapidly in forward speed (around 30 mph) that it had no time to weaken moving inland. It maintained hurricane strength almost all the way to the Alabama/Tennessee/Georgia line and the eastern eyewall passed over Auburn. My friends in Auburn said they watched tree after tree after tree go down before losing power that night.
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