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Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:19 am to WDE24
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I mean alleging that a power baseball hitter in that era took steroids and being right isn't evidence of effective journalism.
Bull shite i've been saying that players have been taking steroids for a long time...give me my pulitzer.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:21 am to lowspark12
She's a hack? More prestige in owning her own previously unknown blog? 
Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:22 am to WDE24
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She needs something to write about and she got access to McNeil is my guess. It just seemed rushed and like she did nothing to confirm her sources. Its reeks of laziness and a grab for attention/web hits.
Oh I definitely agree that it reads like lazy writing for sure. Of coruse, not all journalists are known for their mastery of the english language and how to use it to its highest potential. Some folks just have a knack for investigation. Those people should let someone else write for them IMO.
It does seem like the easiest way to get yourself publicity the last few years is put Auburn University in one of your articles. The Cam story was just so provocative on a national level that 3 years later, nobody has really forgotten about yall despite yalls best efforts to be as under the radar as possible last season.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:27 am to ThaKaptin
Looks like her last articles published in the NY Times were in 2007.
Sorry, but if you're a crack journalist you don't give up that gig.
"Ms. Roberts, tell us why did you choose to stop writing for the New York Times?"
Roberts: "I wanted to spend my time writing for a real news outlet. Since I was a little girl I dreamed of writing for Bleacher Report."
Sorry, but if you're a crack journalist you don't give up that gig.
"Ms. Roberts, tell us why did you choose to stop writing for the New York Times?"
Roberts: "I wanted to spend my time writing for a real news outlet. Since I was a little girl I dreamed of writing for Bleacher Report."
Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:29 am to ThaKaptin
Why the hell won't former AU players just learn to STFU?
HINT to ALL former AU players that got a free education on AU's dime, and were allowed to play ball in a SEC program - shut your damn mouth and go on with your lives however dismal and shitty the may be.
HINT to ALL former AU players that got a free education on AU's dime, and were allowed to play ball in a SEC program - shut your damn mouth and go on with your lives however dismal and shitty the may be.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:29 am to atlau
Nice try. She left NYT when her contract expired to write for SI. She left SI to start Roopster Media , along with other journalist.
Terry McDonell, Editor of the Time Inc. Sports Group, sent over a statement: “Highlighted by her reporting on the abuse of performance enhancing drugs in baseball, Selena has done significant work for Sports Illustrated. She will no doubt be successful in her endeavors and everyone at Sports Illustrated wishes her the best.”
Terry McDonell, Editor of the Time Inc. Sports Group, sent over a statement: “Highlighted by her reporting on the abuse of performance enhancing drugs in baseball, Selena has done significant work for Sports Illustrated. She will no doubt be successful in her endeavors and everyone at Sports Illustrated wishes her the best.”
Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:37 am to Stonehog
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They still confirm sources and fact check.
And this is not a breaking news story so the above scenario is irrelevant. Roberts spent a lot of time on this story, she's not just throwing shite at a wall.
ALso, budgets for newsrooms are 40 percent lower than they were in 2007. Less than 40,000 full-time print journalist nationwide (lower than 1978 levels). There simply isn't enough money to maintain journalistic standards. It's a tough racket these days, and frankly, Americans no longer appreciate hard news as proven by the programming choices made by most major news outlets.
If you have a minute or 15, take the time to read PEW's State of the American media for 2013.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:43 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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There simply isn't enough money to maintain journalistic standards.
That is just dumb. Money has NOTHING to do with whether a reporter misrepresents quotes or stretches the truth.
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Americans no longer appreciate hard news as proven by the programming choices made by most major news outlets.
Sidewalk fans, people who have their heads stuck in the sand, and those who inextricably link their self worth to the success of their team (or in this case, the failure of their rival) choose this kind of programming. Her blog site is not a major news outlet. To say Americans as a whole don't appreciate hard news is just silly.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:51 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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There simply isn't enough money to maintain journalistic standards. It's a tough racket these days, and frankly, Americans no longer appreciate hard news as proven by the programming choices made by most major news outlets.
bull fricking shite. If you can't maintain journalistic standards, you need to find another occupation.
Anyway, this is a pretty good read by a current assoc prof of journalism at Auburn. It's too long to copy and paste, but it's worth the 5 or so minutes it takes to read, imo.
LINK
Posted on 4/4/13 at 11:01 am to kage
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pretty good read by a current assoc prof of journalism at Auburn.
oh
Posted on 4/4/13 at 11:03 am to lowspark12
Selena Roberts. Former sportswriter at the Auburn Plainsman. Now, just another...
Posted on 4/4/13 at 11:04 am to jimithing11
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pretty good read by a current assoc prof of journalism at Auburn.
oh
Did you read it? I think it's an extremely fair piece.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 11:06 am to kage
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Did you read it? I think it's an extremely fair piece.
why read it when you can bold part of it to further an agenda without having a clue.
I swear it's like everyone forgot about ATPB...sharpen up people.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 11:59 am to piggidyphish
790 AM in Atlanta had her on this morning and she told them she has the tapes
BUT, she won't release them.
BUT, she won't release them.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:04 pm to atlau
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Sidewalk fans, people who have their heads stuck in the sand, and those who inextricably link their self worth to the success of their team (or in this case, the failure of their rival) choose this kind of programming. Her blog site is not a major news outlet. To say Americans as a whole don't appreciate hard news is just silly.
Sports journalism is hardly what I would call hard news. The state of American journalism is tragic, and it's a direct result of lack of funding. When you reduce research, editorial, and support staff the quality of the product suffers. Americans may want quality journalism but they are unwilling to pay for it.
You can deny reality all you want, but that's the truth.
I don't do much feature writing -- the majority of my income is from commercial and corporate copy writing, but I do occasionally query and submit pieces about certain subjects that pique my interest. Because of this, I maintain relationships with several editors around the country, and they will be the first to tell you that the quality of queries and submissions are a shadow of what they were just a decade ago.
Intern programs are disappearing, and that's where journalist learn -- not in journalism school. Editors don't have the time or the resources to teach new reporters how to do the job the right way. Journalists are woefully underpaid -- many features will net you less than a dollar a word these days -- and they cut corners or perform minimal research in order to produce content quickly.
I'm working on a feature for a magazine right now. I've spent two weeks interviewing, researching, and writing. I will likely get about $1,500 bucks with a little on the back end if I meet certain impression goals. Is that worth my time? Probably not, but I enjoy doing it. I don't really need the money. Full-time journalists don't have that luxury.
Listen, I'm not saying the Roberts' story is accurate. It very well might not be, but don't bitch about the quality of journalism if you are not willing to open your wallet and do something about it. If you don't want your news to be inaccurate, shallow, or co-opted by corporate and political interests, start paying for your news again. You'll be surprised at how good a job a well-funded press can do.
/rant
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:10 pm to Stonehog
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I work in news and I can tell you in all honesty, the last thing a reporter with a story this big would do is misquote someone. You open yourself up for countless lawsuits that could bankrupt you or land you in prison.
I see Auburn players denying things, I don't see any of them suing for libel.
This, so far. The deck is stacked. The journalist likely reported what she was told. When threatened or warned, the players backed off their statements. Could she have been biased? Yes. Could Auburn be biased? Yes.
The second paragraph of the story indicates what the story was really about. "Campbell would discover what happened to her son over a timeline that may prove to be a tripwire to imploding a powerful and storied athletic institution." "That Campbell was the last to know of her son's fate over a five-hour search for answers raises serious questions about Auburn University's role in a felony case and illuminates a culture seemingly unhinged from institutional control."
The family is not refuting that they were kept in the dark by the University who stated they would take care of her son; that he would be treated like family.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:25 pm to Will2nd
I don't deny the fact that money for journalism is struggling right now, but as the saying goes, adapt or die. It's a business and any business has to adapt to change over time.
If I were to only do part of my job and blame it on outside factors, my arse would be looking for another job.
If I were to only do part of my job and blame it on outside factors, my arse would be looking for another job.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:35 pm to Will2nd
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When threatened or warned, the players backed off their statements
None of them play for Auburn anymore. Why should they give a shite.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:41 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Duke lacrosse scandal...Mostly bullshite...they weren't rapists, but they were scumbags and there was a culture which needed to change and apparently did change.
So that's how you go about changing a culture huh? By filing false reports, lying, accusing someone of something they did not do ... and then, whatever comes-out in the wash is okay because the whole point was simply to change the culture in the first place.
Oh, and no doubt, Duke's culture was changed. Amirite?
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