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Posted on 4/6/10 at 5:08 pm to Volmanac
QB-Crybaby(Florida) Agree, though if I were selecting a team, I would take Mnning becuase he's better in a pro style offense.
RB-Herschel(UGA)
WR-Josh Reed(LSU) Disagree, see above.
WR-Ike Hilliard(Florida) Maybe, he was pretty damned good.
TE-Ozzie Newsome(Alabama) agree
T-Bob Suffridge(Tennessee) Disagree, Willie Anderson (AUburn)
G-JOhn Hannah(Alabama)
C-Bob Johnson(Tennessee) Disagree, Dwight Stephenson (Alabama)
G-Chris Samuels(Alabama) Disagree, should be at Tackle.
T-Bruiser Kinard(Ole Miss) Move to gaurd.
DE-Reggie White(Tennessee)
DT-Tracy Rocker(Auburn)
DT-John Henderson(Tennessee)
DE-Disagree, John Copeland (Alabama)
LB-Derrick Thomas(Alabama)
LB-LeeRoy Jordan(Alabama)
LB-Wilbur Marshall(Florida)
Corner-Champ Bailey(Georgia)
Safety-Terry Hoage(Georgia)
Safety-Eric Berry(Tennessee)
Corner-Tommy Casanova(LSU)
RB-Herschel(UGA)
WR-Josh Reed(LSU) Disagree, see above.
WR-Ike Hilliard(Florida) Maybe, he was pretty damned good.
TE-Ozzie Newsome(Alabama) agree
T-Bob Suffridge(Tennessee) Disagree, Willie Anderson (AUburn)
G-JOhn Hannah(Alabama)
C-Bob Johnson(Tennessee) Disagree, Dwight Stephenson (Alabama)
G-Chris Samuels(Alabama) Disagree, should be at Tackle.
T-Bruiser Kinard(Ole Miss) Move to gaurd.
DE-Reggie White(Tennessee)
DT-Tracy Rocker(Auburn)
DT-John Henderson(Tennessee)
DE-Disagree, John Copeland (Alabama)
LB-Derrick Thomas(Alabama)
LB-LeeRoy Jordan(Alabama)
LB-Wilbur Marshall(Florida)
Corner-Champ Bailey(Georgia)
Safety-Terry Hoage(Georgia)
Safety-Eric Berry(Tennessee)
Corner-Tommy Casanova(LSU)
Posted on 4/6/10 at 5:17 pm to el tigre
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can you read?
Yes, can you follow logic behind arguments? Your logic behind the idea that Reed is better than Hutson is because he had better stats (you use the word 'production' but in the context of your argument, 'production' and 'stats' mean the same thing) then Reed must be better than Hutson. To simplify it Better Stats (which you call 'production') = better player. Now, lets apply that logic (Better stats= Better Player). DJ Hall had better Stats than Ozzie Newsome. Because, according to your logic, better stats= better player, we get the following: DJ Hall Stats > Ozzie Newsome Stats; therefore (by your logic) DJ > Ozzie Newsome. Now, clearly Ozzie is better than DJ. Therefore, your logic doesn't work. Ozzie Newsome Stats were worse than DJ Hall's, yet he was a better player. Therefore, you cannot determine who is the better player by merely comparing stats. There are numerous other factors that are involved.
This post was edited on 4/6/10 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 4/6/10 at 5:19 pm to secfan123
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WR-Josh Reed(LSU) Disagree, see above.
WR-Ike Hilliard(Florida) Maybe, he was pretty damned good.
the hell? you must just have a bias against Reed. He significantly outproduced Hilliard in the same era, in one less year at WR to boot.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 5:20 pm to el tigre
Again, see my argument. Its long, and requires thought, but give it the old college try.
This post was edited on 4/6/10 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 4/6/10 at 5:22 pm to secfan123
Tebow wouldn't be able to use Josh Reed & Hillard right. Most likely he would want to run around and try to truck a linebacker over.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 5:23 pm to secfan123
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Therefore, you cannot determine who is the better player by merely comparing stats. There are numerous other factors that are involved.
Very good point. different eras lead to different stats, teams who may have lacked defense may have thrown the ball more or just had a better QB at one time, etc
Posted on 4/6/10 at 5:39 pm to RebFeBrees
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Very good point. different eras lead to different stats, teams who may have lacked defense may have thrown the ball more or just had a better QB at one time, etc
well no kidding.
Hence, why i mentioned those pesky things like his total body of work relative to peers, records, post season honors, etc.
Hutson only started a full season his senior year.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 5:40 pm to secfan123
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Again, see my argument. Its long, and requires thought, but give it the old college try.
yes, your agument is to simply harp on stats saying they don't matter, ignoring the other factors i listed, then providing no other evidence to support your silly Hutson selection.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 5:52 pm to el tigre
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yes, your agument is to simply harp on stats saying they don't matter, ignoring the other factors i listed, then providing no other evidence to support your silly Hutson selection.
What other factors? All your 'factors' were stats- stats relative to this that or the other, but all stats.
Don Hutson was a two time All American, invented the position of wide reciever as we know it today, was the star of an undefeated Rose Bowl champion, and then went on to become one of the greatest pros ever (don't get your panties in a wad just yet, I'm not basing my opinion on his pro career). He was, quite simply, the best. He invented and perfected new routes (while in college) and was forced to play with a more rounded ball. Quite simply, he was better.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 6:08 pm to Volmanac
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Select 1 all-time SEC player for each position
Doug Atkins > Reggie White in college.
Was named SEC Overall Player of the Quarter Century (1950-1975) and was the only unanimous selection to the SEC 50th anniversary team.
Quite frankly, three of the four Dlineman should be Vols.
Unless you have a DL that won both the Outland Trophy and the Lombardi Award, Tracy Rocker is the undisputed best DL in SEC history.
This post was edited on 4/6/10 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 4/6/10 at 6:11 pm to secfan123
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secfan123
only 10 players on O?
Posted on 4/6/10 at 6:18 pm to Big Fat
QB - Peyton Manning, Tennessee
RB - Bo Jackson, Auburn
WR - Josh Reed, LSU
TE - Ozzie Newsome, Alabama
OL - John Hannah, Alabama
DL - Reggie White, Tennessee
LB - Derrick Thomas, Alabama
DB - Champ Bailey, Georgia
K - Billy Bennett, Georgia
P - Dustin Colquitt, Tennesee
RB - Bo Jackson, Auburn
WR - Josh Reed, LSU
TE - Ozzie Newsome, Alabama
OL - John Hannah, Alabama
DL - Reggie White, Tennessee
LB - Derrick Thomas, Alabama
DB - Champ Bailey, Georgia
K - Billy Bennett, Georgia
P - Dustin Colquitt, Tennesee
Posted on 4/6/10 at 6:20 pm to secfan123
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Don Hutson was a two time All American,
link?
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invented the position of wide reciever as we know it today,
primarily in the pros.
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undefeated Rose Bowl champion,
that is def a good thing, but also largely a team accomplishment.
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then went on to become one of the greatest pros ever
irrelevant.
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He was, quite simply, the best.
subjective.
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He invented and perfected new routes (while in college)
link? most point to the pros as the main time of innovation.
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was forced to play with a more rounded ball.
so were the guys he couldn't beat out until his senior year.
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Quite simply, he was better.
wait, or is it the best?
Posted on 4/6/10 at 7:01 pm to el tigre
QB: Peyton Manning (UT)
RB: Herschel (UGA)
WR: Josh Reed (LSU)
OL: John Hannah (UA)
TE: Ozzie Newsome (UA)
DL/DE: David Pollack (UGA)
LB: Derrick Thomas (UA)
DB: Champ Bailey (UGA)
P: Dustin Colquitt (UT)
PK: Kevin Butler (UGA)
PR/KOR: Kevin Faulk (LSU)
RB: Herschel (UGA)
WR: Josh Reed (LSU)
OL: John Hannah (UA)
TE: Ozzie Newsome (UA)
DL/DE: David Pollack (UGA)
LB: Derrick Thomas (UA)
DB: Champ Bailey (UGA)
P: Dustin Colquitt (UT)
PK: Kevin Butler (UGA)
PR/KOR: Kevin Faulk (LSU)
Posted on 4/6/10 at 7:09 pm to rebeltider
quote:Actually, I think Archie Manning is at the top. I know, none of you are old enough to have witnessed it.
QB - Peyton Manning
Posted on 4/6/10 at 7:15 pm to Diamondawg
All I know is Herschel can be my Running Back, but I'm taking Bo at Fullback 
Posted on 4/6/10 at 7:20 pm to Diamondawg
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Actually, I think Archie Manning is at the top. I know, none of you are old enough to have witnessed it.
I've seen plenty of game footage to say that he should be about top 5. He had the same problems here that he had at N.O. It wasn't like he CHOOSE to scramble.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 7:30 pm to Big Fat
QB Peyton Manning
RB Bo Jackson
WR Josh Reed
TE Ozzie Newsome
OL Chris Samuels
DL John Henderson
LB Derrick Thomas
DB Champ Bailey
RB Bo Jackson
WR Josh Reed
TE Ozzie Newsome
OL Chris Samuels
DL John Henderson
LB Derrick Thomas
DB Champ Bailey
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