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re: SEC tells Kiffin to shut up; threatens suspension
Posted on 10/26/09 at 2:23 pm to QuickdrawMcVols
Posted on 10/26/09 at 2:23 pm to QuickdrawMcVols
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So could UT pick the ball up and advance it?
UT could have advanced it I believe but they would have had to score a TD since there was no time on the clock. McClain recovered and downed the ball though.
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Posted on 10/26/09 at 2:27 pm to CrimsonCrush
Dude Kiffin didn't say anything that bad. Slive just has this short man syndrome where he lives to exhert his will on everyting. I just wish he would hurry up and have a heart attack so we wouldn't see his old arse anymore.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 2:27 pm to tennfanatic
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Dude Kiffin didn't say anything that bad. Slive just has this short man syndrome where he lives to exhert his will on everyting. I just wish he would hurry up and have a heart attack so we wouldn't see his old arse anymore.
Kiffin has broken the rules...twice. I for one hope he keeps and and gets suspended. That would be epic!
Posted on 10/26/09 at 2:28 pm to rolltide1283
quote:True.
It's safe to try the kick on 3rd down in case of a botched hold or something like that because they would get to try again from wherever the ball is covered up.
quote:This depends. If the kick is blocked or otherwise missed and crosses the LoS, then yes, possession changes and the defensive (non-kicking team) has to do something stupid to give possession back to the kicking team (see Leon Lett in the Dallas Thanksgiving game several years back).
If the kick is attempted, the possession changes.
If the kick is blocked and does not cross the LoS the ball is live and the kicking team can pick up the ball and attempt to advance it. Look at the first blocked FG - the Tenn holder(?) picked up the ball and tried to run with it. He was tackled and the play was dead - Bama took over because it was a 4th down play and the line to gain was not made. If he had been able to make it past the marker it would have been UT ball 1st and 10.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 2:31 pm to CrimsonCrush
Hes not gonna get suspended and Kiffin says this to slive 
Posted on 10/26/09 at 2:32 pm to PJinAtl
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If the kick is blocked and does not cross the LoS the ball is live and the kicking team can pick up the ball and attempt to advance it. Look at the first blocked FG - the Tenn holder(?) picked up the ball and tried to run with it. He was tackled and the play was dead - Bama took over because it was a 4th down play and the line to gain was not made. If he had been able to make it past the marker it would have been UT ball 1st and 10.
This is the question I have been asking. It was a 3rd down kick, and it was blocked. It didnt cross the line of scrimmage How would it have been an automatic change of possession in regards to the helmet penalty?
Posted on 10/26/09 at 2:33 pm to PJinAtl
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If the kick is blocked and does not cross the LoS the ball is live and the kicking team can pick up the ball and attempt to advance it. Look at the first blocked FG - the Tenn holder(?) picked up the ball and tried to run with it. He was tackled and the play was dead - Bama took over because it was a 4th down play and the line to gain was not made. If he had been able to make it past the marker it would have been UT ball 1st and 10.
True. That is the part Kiffin doesn't understand. The ball didn't cross the LOS I don't think but his players didn't try to advance the ball either. McClain recovered the ball so the game was over.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 2:33 pm to PJinAtl
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"SEC Bylaw 10.5.4 clearly states that coaches, players and support personnel shall refrain from all public criticism of officials."
This is the problem with NCAA football. Refs answer to no one. The media can't talk to them, the conferences never come down on them publicly, they go unchecked. This statement from the league is the problem. I think the refs should have to talk to the media just like everyone else involved in a game. Imagine if one of these guys had to sit through a live interview with cameras jammed in their face asking them about the obvious missed call that lost them the game. Its about time for the refs to be held accountable
Posted on 10/26/09 at 2:36 pm to NashvilleVol
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asking them about the obvious missed call that lost them the game.
You lost the game because you didn't make the kick.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 2:36 pm to QuickdrawMcVols
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This is the question I have been asking. It was a 3rd down kick, and it was blocked. It didnt cross the line of scrimmage How would it have been an automatic change of possession in regards to the helmet penalty?
There are a couple factors, it was 3rd down but once the FG was blocked, UT would had to try to advance the ball to have an argument but since we recovered, Kiffin has no argument.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 2:38 pm to QuickdrawMcVols
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Kiffin had three major specific complaints on calls and non-calls:
If he had issues with the calls he should have handled it differently then breaking SEC regs and taking it to the media. It's his fault for being a dumbarse.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 2:41 pm to QuickdrawMcVols
quote:Is there a video that shows both the Bama player recovering the ball and Cody taking the helmet off? The only thing I can figure is that the Bama player covered the loose ball (and since there is no need to be "down by contact" in college the play was dead as soon as he fell on it) before the helmet came off. That would make it a legit no call.
How would it have been an automatic change of possession in regards to the helmet penalty?
In all honesty though, (and this is in no way giving creedence to conspiracy theories) how many officials would throw a celebration flag on a play like that at the end of a game? In reality you could flag the home team for fans rushing the field when there is still time on the clock but it doesn't happen. It is a college game and emotion/celebration is a big part of it. Isn't the "celebration" penalty against UGA what started this whole ref gate to begin with? Take it as what it is, a huge play with a load of emotion in it in a college game full of emotion.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 2:42 pm to QuickdrawMcVols
To me on this you tube, Cody didn't take his helmet off until the clock expired at 0. And Julio and Rolando ran to and recovered the ball. Check it out at the 15 second mark.
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Posted on 10/26/09 at 2:42 pm to CrimsonCrush
Slive is like Vince McMahon and Kiffin is John Cena after being cheated out of a win. Shenanigans.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 2:46 pm to Night Man
I'm pretty sure if the ball does not cross the LOS during a kick, its not 4th down, and the kicking team recovers the ball, it just goes to the next down and they can try the kick again. I've seen it occur before but I can't remember if it was college or pro.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 2:47 pm to QuickdrawMcVols
When has Kiffin ever been correct about the rules?
Posted on 10/26/09 at 2:48 pm to rolltide1283
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There are a couple factors, it was 3rd down but once the FG was blocked, UT would had to try to advance the ball to have an argument but since we recovered, Kiffin has no argument.
Oh ok, so if Tennessee had fallen on the ball, it would have been a dead ball foul on Cody while TN had possession (if the flag was thrown). Since the game can't end on a defensive penalty and it would have been 4th down, UT would have gotten a rekick, but since mclain recovered, the point is moot.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 2:49 pm to jatebe
The time left on the clock doesn't mean shite in the play. If UT had recovered the ball Kiffin would be correct; however, they did not.
The penalty should have been called, but if Bama has the ball for the next play then it doesn't matter.
The penalty should have been called, but if Bama has the ball for the next play then it doesn't matter.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 2:49 pm to CrimsonCrush
As funny as it would be, I hope he doesn't get suspended. They might win if his daddy gets to make ALL the calls.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 2:50 pm to QuickdrawMcVols
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How would it have been an automatic change of possession
Actually, if a kick is blocked and does not cross the line of scrimmage, it is a totally live ball. Either team can go after it, and can block one another in attempting to get it.
Possession is established when one team or the other recovers the ball.
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