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Posted on 6/9/20 at 5:27 pm to molsusports
Posted on 6/9/20 at 5:27 pm to molsusports
Hince why by going to 16 teams & forming 4X4 pods, you can keep rivalries against teams not part of your pod.
In other words: Say Alabama was in P1 with Aub.. They then could keep TSIO against Tenn. (P2), MSU (P3), & ____ (P4).
Basically keeping rivalries that might be done away with in other schedule formats.
In other words: Say Alabama was in P1 with Aub.. They then could keep TSIO against Tenn. (P2), MSU (P3), & ____ (P4).
Basically keeping rivalries that might be done away with in other schedule formats.
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Posted on 6/9/20 at 5:36 pm to redeye
Way ahead of Missouri. In the early sixties, Ole miss won on a field goal 10-7. The Arkansas fans said it didn't split the uprights. Arguments started between both fan bases and it was tuned into a brawl in the stadium. The next year either Arkansas or Ole Miss started holding tickets or something, I don't remember but both programs were still bitter.
They wouldn't play each other for the next 20 years. If they did, the total number of games played would be close to 100.
They wouldn't play each other for the next 20 years. If they did, the total number of games played would be close to 100.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:18 pm to southernboisb
My big problem with that is how important I think it is to have the return trip from a home and away the year after playing the first game. Without that any rivalry games suffer. Whether there was a close game or a blowout I love that the losing team gets a chance to avenge the outcome a year later.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:26 pm to southernboisb
Can you expand on your explanation here?
Even if you assume the SEC obtains two more highly desirable teams to get to 16... the interconnected rivalry games of UF/UGA, UGA/AU, UA/AU, and UA/UT are a big headache to untangle.
You seem to propose four team pods that rotate opponents every year. I don't love that because it ruins most home/away return games but let's assume we ignore that.
What are your four team pods and how are you both rotating pods and maintaining the annual four rivalry games between the five teams?
Even if you assume the SEC obtains two more highly desirable teams to get to 16... the interconnected rivalry games of UF/UGA, UGA/AU, UA/AU, and UA/UT are a big headache to untangle.
You seem to propose four team pods that rotate opponents every year. I don't love that because it ruins most home/away return games but let's assume we ignore that.
What are your four team pods and how are you both rotating pods and maintaining the annual four rivalry games between the five teams?
Posted on 6/10/20 at 6:23 am to TigerintheNO
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LSU's last trip to Columbia was in 2008
That game was against the Gamecocks in the other Columbia.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 6:30 am to Scoob
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Consider- since Arkansas entered in 91, LSU has played Auburn and Florida every year.
That's true about Auburn, but LSU has played Florida every year since 1953.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 4:40 pm to molsusports
Then you can have perm rivals in the pods you're not paired with.
ex: Pod A member #1 (Alabama)
Year 1
game 1 - Pod A member #2 (Auburn)
game 2 - Pod A member #3
game 3 - Pod A member #4
game 4 - season partner Pod B member #1 (Tennessee)
game 5 - season partner Pod B member #2
game 6 - season partner Pod B member #3
game 7 - season partner Pod B member #4
game 8 - Pod C rival (MSU)
game 9 - Pod D rival (LSU)
Year 2
games 1-7 - same idea as Y1, season partner Pod C
game 8 - Pod B rival (Tennessee)
game 9 - Pod D rival (LSU)
Year 3
games 1-7 - same idea as Y1, season partner Pod D
game 8 - Pod B rival (Tennessee)
game 9 - Pod C rival (MSU)
So, each team has a annual rival in each pod. Therefore, they play those teams for games 8 & 9 the season's they're not paired up with that pod.
You've now kept the rivals annual despite the pod you're partnered with for that season.
ex: Pod A member #1 (Alabama)
Year 1
game 1 - Pod A member #2 (Auburn)
game 2 - Pod A member #3
game 3 - Pod A member #4
game 4 - season partner Pod B member #1 (Tennessee)
game 5 - season partner Pod B member #2
game 6 - season partner Pod B member #3
game 7 - season partner Pod B member #4
game 8 - Pod C rival (MSU)
game 9 - Pod D rival (LSU)
Year 2
games 1-7 - same idea as Y1, season partner Pod C
game 8 - Pod B rival (Tennessee)
game 9 - Pod D rival (LSU)
Year 3
games 1-7 - same idea as Y1, season partner Pod D
game 8 - Pod B rival (Tennessee)
game 9 - Pod C rival (MSU)
So, each team has a annual rival in each pod. Therefore, they play those teams for games 8 & 9 the season's they're not paired up with that pod.
You've now kept the rivals annual despite the pod you're partnered with for that season.
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 6/10/20 at 5:14 pm to molsusports
I haven't designed the pods because I'ld have to get all the rival history & figure that out. But the beauty of this is that you WOULDN'T have to create the pods based on geography (it would be any 4 teams you decide to put together).
schedule format:
Year 1
AB vrs. CD (winner of each paired pod goes to SEC CG)
Year 2
AC vrs. BD (winner of each paired pod goes to SEC CG)
Year 3
AD vrs. BC (winner of each paired pod goes to SEC CG)
Year 4
Year 1 with H/A reversed
Year 5
Year 2 with H/A reversed
Year 6
Year 3 with H/A reversed
Each team has a perm rival in each of the other pods. So, Pod A member 1 would have this schedule:
Years 1/4/7/10/...
game 1 - Pod A member 2 (rival)
game 2 - Pod A member 3
game 3 - Pod A member 4
game 4 - Pod B member 1 (rival)
game 5 - Pod B member 2
game 6 - Pod B member 3
game 7 - Pod B member 4
game 8 - Pod C member 1 (rival)
game 9 - Pod D member 1 (rival)
Years 2/5/8/11/...
game 1 - Pod A member 2 (rival)
game 2 - Pod A member 3
game 3 - Pod A member 4
game 4 - Pod C member 1 (rival)
game 5 - Pod C member 2
game 6 - Pod C member 3
game 7 - Pod C member 4
game 8 - Pod B member 1 (rival)
game 9 - Pod D member 1 (rival)
Years 3/6/9/12/...
game 1 - Pod A member 2 (rival)
game 2 - Pod A member 3
game 3 - Pod A member 4
game 4 - Pod D member 1 (rival)
game 5 - Pod D member 2
game 6 - Pod D member 3
game 7 - Pod D member 4
game 8 - Pod B member 1 (rival)
game 9 - Pod C member 1 (rival)
H/A rotates yearly
Pod A member 2 (rival)
Pod B member 1 (rival)
Pod C member 1 (rival)
Pod D member 1 (rival)
Pod A member 3
Pod A member 4
H/A rotates every 3rd year
Pod B member 2
Pod B member 3
Pod B member 4
Pod C member 2
Pod C member 3
Pod C member 4
Pod D member 2
Pod D member 3
Pod D member 4
Yes, I do know this is based off a 9 game schedule. However, it keeps all rivalries of those who have them. (& I don't think the SEC will keep 8 games with 16 teams.) & the SEC CG WON'T have the same teams year after year.
schedule format:
Year 1
AB vrs. CD (winner of each paired pod goes to SEC CG)
Year 2
AC vrs. BD (winner of each paired pod goes to SEC CG)
Year 3
AD vrs. BC (winner of each paired pod goes to SEC CG)
Year 4
Year 1 with H/A reversed
Year 5
Year 2 with H/A reversed
Year 6
Year 3 with H/A reversed
Each team has a perm rival in each of the other pods. So, Pod A member 1 would have this schedule:
Years 1/4/7/10/...
game 1 - Pod A member 2 (rival)
game 2 - Pod A member 3
game 3 - Pod A member 4
game 4 - Pod B member 1 (rival)
game 5 - Pod B member 2
game 6 - Pod B member 3
game 7 - Pod B member 4
game 8 - Pod C member 1 (rival)
game 9 - Pod D member 1 (rival)
Years 2/5/8/11/...
game 1 - Pod A member 2 (rival)
game 2 - Pod A member 3
game 3 - Pod A member 4
game 4 - Pod C member 1 (rival)
game 5 - Pod C member 2
game 6 - Pod C member 3
game 7 - Pod C member 4
game 8 - Pod B member 1 (rival)
game 9 - Pod D member 1 (rival)
Years 3/6/9/12/...
game 1 - Pod A member 2 (rival)
game 2 - Pod A member 3
game 3 - Pod A member 4
game 4 - Pod D member 1 (rival)
game 5 - Pod D member 2
game 6 - Pod D member 3
game 7 - Pod D member 4
game 8 - Pod B member 1 (rival)
game 9 - Pod C member 1 (rival)
H/A rotates yearly
Pod A member 2 (rival)
Pod B member 1 (rival)
Pod C member 1 (rival)
Pod D member 1 (rival)
Pod A member 3
Pod A member 4
H/A rotates every 3rd year
Pod B member 2
Pod B member 3
Pod B member 4
Pod C member 2
Pod C member 3
Pod C member 4
Pod D member 2
Pod D member 3
Pod D member 4
Yes, I do know this is based off a 9 game schedule. However, it keeps all rivalries of those who have them. (& I don't think the SEC will keep 8 games with 16 teams.) & the SEC CG WON'T have the same teams year after year.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:45 pm to southernboisb
You'd have to show me a complete six year schedule before it can be taken seriously. It's not an easy task to balance the pods while considering geography, rivalries, and rotation issues.
Another obvious problem is how you manage the complications of the years when some teams are playing the pods that include their fixed rival.
I also don't love the 9th game. For the sake of playing the same number of home and away games in conference either 8 or 10 is probably a better number of conference games.
Another obvious problem is how you manage the complications of the years when some teams are playing the pods that include their fixed rival.
I also don't love the 9th game. For the sake of playing the same number of home and away games in conference either 8 or 10 is probably a better number of conference games.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:25 pm to molsusports
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molsusports
Another obvious problem is how you manage the complications of the years when some teams are playing the pods that include their fixed rival.
What do you mean by this? Everybody has a fixed rival in each pod that they'll play every year
Pod A - Member 1
Pod B - Member 1
Pod C - Member 1
Pod D - Member 1
(these 4 will play each other every year)
Pod A - Member 2
Pod B - Member 2
Pod C - Member 2
Pod D - Member 2
(these 4 will play each other every year)
Pod A - Member 3
Pod B - Member 3
Pod C - Member 3
Pod D - Member 3
(these 4 will play each other every year)
Pod A - Member 4
Pod B - Member 4
Pod C - Member 4
Pod D - Member 4
(these 4 will play each other every year)
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 9:24 am
Posted on 6/12/20 at 12:15 am to southernboisb
So your proposal is a 9 game regular season conference schedule before the conference championship game?
And of those nine games seven are considered in division? Well, I understand that in theory but not practice. It wouldn't be very good for the middle and lower tier SEC schools who struggle to get bowl eligible and had previously generated good revenue from the extra home games against rent a wins that this proposal takes away.
Let's pretend those aren't issues for a minute though. What are your pods and the fixed opponents for each of the sixteen teams? Without the specifics there's not a proposal so much an idea about how a proposal might be created.
Edited to reflect my understanding of the idea.
And of those nine games seven are considered in division? Well, I understand that in theory but not practice. It wouldn't be very good for the middle and lower tier SEC schools who struggle to get bowl eligible and had previously generated good revenue from the extra home games against rent a wins that this proposal takes away.
Let's pretend those aren't issues for a minute though. What are your pods and the fixed opponents for each of the sixteen teams? Without the specifics there's not a proposal so much an idea about how a proposal might be created.
Edited to reflect my understanding of the idea.
This post was edited on 6/12/20 at 12:25 am
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:41 am to molsusports
Correct. The NCAA says you have to have divisions for a cg; but NOTHING that the teams had to be the same each year.
As to the middle teams, the pods rotate each year, so you can't say they'll never have good seasons. & how is getting rid of a R-A-W bad? The fans sure DON'T want to see them.
Now, we CAN go into the debate of # of Home games...which I agree that schools (UGA for ex.) have 7H each season - meaning every other year the 3 non-conf. games will be hosted. & game 10 is GT, so working around that is another challenge. But my idea would put ALL conferences the same & settle the "better conference" debate on the field.
As to the pods/rivals.....just like The Roommate Switch, they're whatever you want them to be. As for me, the set up on TRS's page doesn't make sense as to teams in their pods. Also, the idea of non-div. & 3 perm teams is wrong because I DON'T see SC as a "must play" game for UGA. Also, if you'll notice, LSU does NOT have a B6 team in their "must plays". So...each person will have their own opinion of what works.
As to the middle teams, the pods rotate each year, so you can't say they'll never have good seasons. & how is getting rid of a R-A-W bad? The fans sure DON'T want to see them.
Now, we CAN go into the debate of # of Home games...which I agree that schools (UGA for ex.) have 7H each season - meaning every other year the 3 non-conf. games will be hosted. & game 10 is GT, so working around that is another challenge. But my idea would put ALL conferences the same & settle the "better conference" debate on the field.
As to the pods/rivals.....just like The Roommate Switch, they're whatever you want them to be. As for me, the set up on TRS's page doesn't make sense as to teams in their pods. Also, the idea of non-div. & 3 perm teams is wrong because I DON'T see SC as a "must play" game for UGA. Also, if you'll notice, LSU does NOT have a B6 team in their "must plays". So...each person will have their own opinion of what works.
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 9:42 am
Posted on 6/13/20 at 4:13 pm to southernboisb
I appreciate your perspective but if you can show a specific option which is usable then we can have a meaningful conversation.
This would be useful, especially because it is much easier to complain than provide solutions.
This would be useful, especially because it is much easier to complain than provide solutions.
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 6/13/20 at 7:06 pm to molsusports
I'll come up with 1 if you come up with 1.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 7:15 pm to tkeefer
AUs schedule changed the most due to expansion. We use to play UF and UT every year and replaced them with Ole Miss and LSU. AUs season ticket package use to be the best in the SEC.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 7:33 pm to tkeefer
Auburn-UGA really is TDSOR. Not a nickname. Pretty amazing.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 8:19 pm to KingOfTheWorld
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uburn-UGA really is TDSOR. Not a nickname. Pretty amazing.
With it being called the "Oldest Rivalry in the DEEP SOUTH", you know they will try to change it.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 8:41 pm to Irons Puppet
Probably so. I hope not.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 10:02 pm to southernboisb
?
I don't understand. I already did earlier in the thread. It's what you have criticized but completed a full rotation of home/away games against every team in the conference in four years and maintained the required games (AU/AU, UF/UGA, UT/UA, AU/UGA).
The rotation of pods is a change but show me a better solution and I will listen.
I don't understand. I already did earlier in the thread. It's what you have criticized but completed a full rotation of home/away games against every team in the conference in four years and maintained the required games (AU/AU, UF/UGA, UT/UA, AU/UGA).
The rotation of pods is a change but show me a better solution and I will listen.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 9:06 pm to KingOfTheWorld
Please tell me "T" DOES NOT stand for "the" - like that crap a school in Ohio is trying to pull. 
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