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Posted on 8/19/18 at 8:57 am to Cheese Grits
quote:Well that may be so in their state, but their early history shows they were barely a middle of the road team with just as many losing seasons as winning. Spare me the "powerhouse" references Grits.
You do realize , early on, The Citadel was the best football team in SC like W&L used to be a football powerhouse in VA.
here ya go
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Prior to WW II and the GI Bill most of the best football schools in the USA were private ones.
And yet 3 of their wins against Scar came after WW 2.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 9:05 am to Mizzou4ever
Well one thing I can say for both SC and UK historically is they have some of the best fans in some of the worst seasons. Both were in the Top 25 to Top 30 in attendance even tho they did not have the wins to explain it. Granted since Joker was at UK that shifted but attendance is heading down for college football in general.
What is Mizzou's excuse for have better football but worse fans? Christ, Tigers have the state all too themselves and it is a high population state. SC and KY are much smaller and have to split with another P5 in state school.
What is Mizzou's excuse for have better football but worse fans? Christ, Tigers have the state all too themselves and it is a high population state. SC and KY are much smaller and have to split with another P5 in state school.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 9:14 am to Cheese Grits
quote:This has been answered countless times, yet it keeps being asked. We had a stretch of almost 20 years of atrocious football which turned alot of people off, and with the combo of being a pro state this is where we sit. There is only so much entertainment dollar to go around and Mizzou must do better in the future of not only marketing, but winning because they are competing for alot of those same dollars. You have no pro teams in Kentucky or Scar Grits, so you really can't relate. The Chiefs, Cards, Royals, Blues have a long history in this state (older that most Ranters ages here) and it won't be easy to peel them away since they have been at the forefront for so long.
What is Mizzou's excuse for have better football but worse fans?
Posted on 8/19/18 at 9:27 am to Mizzou4ever
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You have no pro teams in Kentucky
One of the oldest pro teams in the US is about an hour from downtown Lexington
This is closer than COMO to KC (about 1.5 hour) or COMO to STL (about 2 hour)
Cincinnati Reds have drawn lots of fans historically from central KY
Cincinnati Bengals had their training in Gtown (just outside LEX) for years
WKU is about 60 miles from Nashville
Try Cities (LEX / LOU / CIN) have had pro and semi pro teams in most sports.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 9:54 am to Cheese Grits
And you have no idea how many are season ticket holders for those two pro teams. Your college teams in non pro states are typically their "pro teams". That's no slam, I get it, I would be the same way. So I've answered your questions Grits, even though you moved the goal posts, don't think I didn't notice it.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 10:25 am to Mizzou4ever
Not what I am saying at all.
I am saying even tho something may be on the other side of a state line, travel time matters.
Lots of Reds fans in KY because it is a quick drive. Also, because historically there has been sports crossover between the cities. Lots of Keeneland memberships have Cincinnati addresses and lots of Bengals and Reds season ticket holders have KY address.
While KY may not have a MLB team inside their borders it has always been a baseball friendly state. Lots of fans at the grade school level as kids grow up following local baseball. Semi pro baseball teams in both Lexington and Louisville have worked because they have an underlying base that follows baseball.
Not sure why you are getting your panties in a wad about moving the goalposts when, as a Missouri fan, should be well aware of how much the KC MSA is actually is in Missouri. Not moving the goalposts but saying travel time matters in the state of KY.
I am saying even tho something may be on the other side of a state line, travel time matters.
Lots of Reds fans in KY because it is a quick drive. Also, because historically there has been sports crossover between the cities. Lots of Keeneland memberships have Cincinnati addresses and lots of Bengals and Reds season ticket holders have KY address.
While KY may not have a MLB team inside their borders it has always been a baseball friendly state. Lots of fans at the grade school level as kids grow up following local baseball. Semi pro baseball teams in both Lexington and Louisville have worked because they have an underlying base that follows baseball.
Not sure why you are getting your panties in a wad about moving the goalposts when, as a Missouri fan, should be well aware of how much the KC MSA is actually is in Missouri. Not moving the goalposts but saying travel time matters in the state of KY.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 10:33 am to Cheese Grits
My panties are not in a wad. The fact is, once I disproved your notion of the Citadel being an early powerhouse, you quickly shifted gears into attendance and support poppycock, which had nothing to do with your original point or this thread.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 10:36 am to Mizzou4ever
I mean everyone knows that prior to expansion SC was a cellar dweller. Clemson was the only team in that state for ages. SC is still young in terms of their football history but they've come a long damn way since joining.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 10:41 am to Mizzou4ever
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We had a stretch of almost 20 years of atrocious football which turned alot of people off
Practically a self inflicted death penalty. Wasn't it Babbs decided to follow the rules for athletes at Big Ten levels while still playing in the Big Eight? Correct anything wrong with that or if I've made it up completely
I can never find the story anymore of how that happened.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 11:01 am to Mizzou4ever
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Citadel being an early powerhouse
They were in the SIAA and SoCon
I know this is hard because the SEC is new to you and all but there were solid football teams that played there including most all of the current SEC (less Arkansas and Missouri). Sure the big state schools went on to the SEC, SWC, and ACC but that does not negate the early history they all formed in.
Sewannee and Centre have an early football history to be proud of even if they have not kept up in student body size like the current P5 schools. Both were probably the best teams in their respective states of TN and KY early on. Not sure if there was a similar team in MO but it would be better if you discussed that than arguing about something you don't seem to understand or acknowledge.
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or this thread.
Most of the schools in SEC states had or continue to have an in state rival. Mizzou appears not to have this competition for their success and they are a high population state. Yet they still have not been able to dominate KU (a basketball school in a small population state with KSU instate).
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SEC teams who haven't lost 50 games to an in-state opponent in football
What is Mizzou's in state opponent?
Easy not to lose 50 games to a team that does not exist.
KY has UK, UL, WKU, and EKU - multipile DII titles. Plus Centre early on.
TN has UT, VU, MTSU, and Memphis. Plus Sewanee early on.
KY + TN population < MO population (and no competition)
Posted on 8/19/18 at 11:13 am to KCM0Tiger
All of these response threads. It's easy not to lose 50 games when you are only the P5 in your state
Posted on 8/19/18 at 11:28 am to DirtyDawg
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In Georgia and Auburn's defense, our 50+ out of state losses are to one another. Not someone like Kansas.
Its kind of a dumb argument too. UGA and Auburn have played a billion times. At some point, your gonna lose 50 unless its not really a rivalry.
Or if you just suck. Like Missouri
Posted on 8/19/18 at 12:13 pm to LanierSpots
So you mean like the oldest rivalry Mizzou/kU?
Thanks for proving the point.
Thanks for proving the point.
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Posted on 8/19/18 at 12:20 pm to TigerCruise
That only works if you're a SEC team before we joined. 
Posted on 8/19/18 at 12:24 pm to Mizzou4ever
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That only works if you're a SEC team before we joined.
Then answer the simple question.
Who was Mizzou's principal in state rival?
Posted on 8/19/18 at 12:31 pm to Cheese Grits
You're not very bright, both Tigercruises and my post was in reply to LanierSports. Try and keep up instead of constantly seeking to score brownie points with other SEC teams that Mizzou is sparing with. And don't deny it, it's what you do since we joined.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 12:31 pm to Cheese Grits
The St. Louis Cardinals, been stealing fans for a hundred years
Posted on 8/19/18 at 2:49 pm to Mizzou4ever
Not scoring brownie points, giving you a legit opportunity to say who in the state of MO the Tigers could have lost 50 games to. Since the correct response is you have no opposition you pass the buck for have no answer to the real reason Mizzou has no excuse not to better at college football.
I am aware the Cardinals play baseball at the pro level, not college football.
No wonder you get so rustled and try to deflect when folks call you out about your sad record with a basketball school in a lower population state.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 3:03 pm to Cheese Grits
There was also 2 pro football teams for awhile, a hockey team, 2 baseball teams and minor league teams, and hell there was even an NBA team here. In St.Louis you have SLU and in Springfield Missouri State. That's a lot of entertainment to share. Where as in Alabama you have......college football.
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