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re: SEC preparing anti-oversigning legislation for June meetings
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:17 pm to smelvis
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:17 pm to smelvis
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He's pretty harsh on Tressel, FYI.
So you think this is because of merely some axe to grind with the SEC?
Or that he, and a lot of people, have a problem with the ethical implications of oversigning?
Exhibit A. Notice the author (who started the website) brush over the Tressel violations and read all the comments calling his hypocrisy out. The guy (and a couple of his elitist hypocrite sidekicks like Texas Dawg) epitomize the self righteous hypocrisy the Big Ten in famous for. They cheat their brains out and when caught always claims it was done for noble reasons or wasn't as evil as what the SEC is doing.
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Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:17 pm to smelvis
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I have 3 degrees and have never paid a dime for any of them.
And as evidenced by your argument and talking points, you've gotten exactly what you paid for.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:18 pm to jatebe
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It would be ethical for the student to pay back their full scholarship if they don't fulfill the obligations of getting their degree and staying the full five years.
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I notice that he keeps ignoring this.
The NCAA needs to make players sign a contract that they will stay the full five years, keep their grades up, and graduate or pay the penalty of paying back the scholarship money.
Makes perfect sense to me. That way the colleges won't be known as NFL factories; only the smart kids will get in and graduate; and the school won't lose money on the kids that decide to transfer, quit football, or just generally screw up and don't try to compete but just sit around for the free ride.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:19 pm to Alahunter
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Because it destroys his argument. Just like he's trying to use Fla's 8 SEC titles this year to somehow justify the football discussion, even though none of them were in football.
If he wants oversigning gone. Fine. Make the scholarships 5 yrs. Make the students attend and play for the full 5 yrs. If they leave, they must pay back the cost of their schooling for not completing their obligations. Simple. Except there will never be a 5 yr scholarship and "oversigning" will continue. Because you will always have injured players (medical scholarship), those that flunk out, those that transfer and a host of other reasons and schools will always need to have the opportunity to sign more than the allotted 85.
If things were to go back to being fair, they would do away with scholarship limits and let students go to any college of their choice. But alas, it would lead back to schools like Georgia whining that the better schools were taking all the good players, even though the choice would be the students.
Not at all.
Why should a student pay back a scholarship?
Then it wouldn't be a scholarship.
Just say it: "I only want the best receiving scholarships for fooozball, and I want to keep the right to cut them if they aren't the best, because doing anything else might have an adverse effect on fooozball. Yay fooozball!!"
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:19 pm to smelvis
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Just finished my MA and getted graduated lass week.
Clearly the mind of a 3 degree holding UGA alumni speaking here.
And he calls us fat white drunk inbred good ole boys.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:19 pm to smelvis
whats your obesession with oversigning.com and the WSJ? You have posted many times about it, not just in this thread.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:19 pm to smelvis
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Did I?
Yeah you did. How the hell is it oversigning if the kid never signs?
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I thought it was a reference to a kid whose career was almost derailed because of oversigning?
Oh boo fricking hoo. If he wants a degree, he can earn it just like every other non-athlete. Get a job. Get student loans and pell grants. Join the military reserves and get a free education. Or here's a novel idea. Bust your arse in high school and get an academic scholarship. Don't rely on others to foot the bill for you.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:20 pm to smelvis
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Because athletic scholarships are a means to pay for an education perhaps?
This doesn't make any sense and you're avoiding the question. Why should the requirements for the two types of scholarship differ?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:20 pm to ThaKaptin
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Clearly the mind of a 3 degree holding UGA alumni speaking here
Only 2 came from UGA FWIW.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:20 pm to smelvis
You are getting destroyed by a host of posters in here. You should stop while your behind.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:21 pm to smelvis
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Not at all.
Why should a student pay back a scholarship?
Then it wouldn't be a scholarship.
Just say it: "I only want the best receiving scholarships for fooozball, and I want to keep the right to cut them if they aren't the best, because doing anything else might have an adverse effect on fooozball. Yay fooozball!!"
Misses the point on purpose once again.
Why should an academic scholarship require maintaining a high level of academics not work in the case of an athletics scholarship forcing a player to maintain a high level of athletic performance?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:22 pm to Tiger Authority
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Why should the requirements for the two types of scholarship differ?
You're the one saying they should.
Students with academic scholarships aren't required to pay them back if they flunk out. Why should athletes? Why is hard to admit that a student who gets a scholarship should be allowed to keep it until he graduates provided he's making satisfactory academic progress and staying out of trouble?
It is, after all, a scholarship to pay for his attendance to college.
Isn't it?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:22 pm to smelvis
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Only 2 came from UGA FWIW.
Indictment against that otherwise fine public institution.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:22 pm to Tiger Authority
He has no answer. If he did, it would undermine his basis for his argument.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:23 pm to Alahunter
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You are getting destroyed by a host of posters in here. You should stop while your behind.
Really?
I see a lot of circular arguments with no one really getting anywhere.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:24 pm to NYCAuburn
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whats your obesession with oversigning.com and the WSJ? You have posted many times about it, not just in this thread.
WSJ was one of the early reporters.
Very good article, IMO.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:24 pm to smelvis
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You're the one saying they should.
Students with academic scholarships aren't required to pay them back if they flunk out. Why should athletes? Why is hard to admit that a student who gets a scholarship should be allowed to keep it until he graduates provided he's making satisfactory academic progress and staying out of trouble?
Why are you harping on paying them back? I'm harping on being able to keep them at all. If a person gets into UGA with high grades and an academic scholarship, and subsequently makes poor grades, they lose that scholarship and must foot the bill to remain at that university.
If a football player makes it into UGA based on athletic prowess, subsequently fails to continue that athletic prowess at the university, they should have the chance that their scholarship no longer remains.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:24 pm to smelvis
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Students with academic scholarships aren't required to pay them back if they flunk out. Why should athletes?
They can however, be removed from scholarship for not meeting qualifications. Just as athletes can and should be removed if they are not earning their scholarships. Why do you want a double standard? Why is it important to you to have undeserving people attending school, when there are people in line with the ability and work ethic to perform to the standard that would earn them the scholarship that someone else is wasting?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:25 pm to Alahunter
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He has no answer. If he did, it would undermine his basis for his argument.
Yeah I figure if I keep asking the easy question he'll finally cave, attempt to answer, and blow up his entire argument.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:26 pm to crimsonsaint
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Oh boo fricking hoo. If he wants a degree, he can earn it just like every other non-athlete. Get a job. Get student loans and pell grants. Join the military reserves and get a free education. Or here's a novel idea. Bust your arse in high school and get an academic scholarship. Don't rely on others to foot the bill for you.
This. My son got an academic scholarship, but lost it the next year because he didn't study. Had to take out loans. Why should athletes be different. Shouldn't they lose their scholarships if they don't play by the rules. Scholarships are one year deals.
It's also a good life lesson. When you get a job and you don't obey the rules, you'll lose the job.
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