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re: SEC preparing anti-oversigning legislation for June meetings
Posted on 5/23/11 at 3:58 pm to Alahunter
Posted on 5/23/11 at 3:58 pm to Alahunter
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ehh.. sound like an Auburn fan..
Certainly not.
Auburn is about as bad as anyone out there, they've just done a remarkably good job of covering it up.
Chiznik really purged that program of a lot of kids.
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Posted on 5/23/11 at 3:58 pm to smelvis
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Push here
Good grief. This thread is about oversigning in the SEC and you just provided a link showing that an SEC school refused to oversign?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 3:59 pm to Alahunter
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Not really. Or you'd be more concerned about their time in the classroom and graduating them. Your team is falling behind and your coach has you convinced that dumbing down other schools will make yall more competitive.
And again, this started long before Richt's blurb.
Look at oversigning.com. Most everything on there long predates Richt's statement. Why is this hard to see?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:00 pm to smelvis
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And again, this started long before Richt's blurb.
Look at oversigning.com. Most everything on there long predates Richt's statement. Why is this hard to see?
You started that site didn't you? I'll pass.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:00 pm to RT1941
I have yet to hear an argument for oversigning other than "everyone else can do it too". Take a look at a successful sport versus a declining sport: NFL versus MLB. MLB has no salary caps (oversigning) and the NFL has salary caps ( no oversigning). The MLB season begins in Kansas City or Pittsburg knowing that they are going to lose to teams with unlimited revenues like the Yankees or Atlanta.
However, every NFL fan in every city begins the year with a chance to win. This is why they are the most successful sport in the US right now.
Oversigning only helps a few select programs. It does nothing for Samford, Middle TN State, Louisville, etc, etc. If a kid is good enough to merit a scholly to Alabama or Auburn, you can bet he's good enough to get one to any other D1 school and graduate.
However, every NFL fan in every city begins the year with a chance to win. This is why they are the most successful sport in the US right now.
Oversigning only helps a few select programs. It does nothing for Samford, Middle TN State, Louisville, etc, etc. If a kid is good enough to merit a scholly to Alabama or Auburn, you can bet he's good enough to get one to any other D1 school and graduate.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:01 pm to crimsonsaint
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Good grief. This thread is about oversigning in the SEC and you just provided a link showing that an SEC school refused to oversign?
Did I?
I thought it was a reference to a kid whose career was almost derailed because of oversigning?
Hmmm.....interesting.
So what do you think of the progress we're making on the subject?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:01 pm to smelvis
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How about this:
A player gets a scholarship, he keeps it until he graduates or leaves of his own accord, so long as he's making satisfactory academic progress and staying out of trouble/complying with university code, etc.
Simple, IMO
How bout no. He's getting tens of thousands of dollars invested to him. He gets a scholly, he HAS to stay the entire time and receive a degree, or pay it back.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:01 pm to smelvis
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How about this:
A player gets a scholarship, he keeps it until he graduates or leaves of his own accord, so long as he's making satisfactory academic progress and staying out of trouble/complying with university code, etc.
Simple, IMO.
Where the hell does that leave the school he played for? Say a school has 4-5 Jr's, decide of their own accord leave early for the draft.... Say another 4-5 players decide of their own accord to commit armed robbery???? Where the hell does that leave the school they've been attending?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:02 pm to Tiger Authority
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You started that site didn't you? I'll pass.
Nope.
I have had several conversations with the guy who did though.
He's the one who tipped off the WSJ to the subject!
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:02 pm to smelvis
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I thought it was a reference to a kid whose career was almost derailed because of oversigning?
Derailed because he wasn't give preferential treatment to get into a school with grades that an overage student would have never been able to use to get into that school?
This post was edited on 5/23/11 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:03 pm to smelvis
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Nope.
I have had several conversations with the guy who did though.
He's the one who tipped off the WSJ to the subject!
That explains it. Move along.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:03 pm to RT1941
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Where the hell does that leave the school he played for?
What do you mean?
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Say a school has 4-5 Jr's, decide of their own accord leave early for the draft....
The their scholarships become open.
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Say another 4-5 players decide of their own accord to commit armed robbery????
Likewise, their schollies open up.
This isn't hard, it's common, ethical sense FWIW.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:04 pm to smelvis
He's an OSU fan. It's understandable he doesn't want to look into the practices of his own conference and school, but rather cast stones at SEC schools.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:04 pm to Tiger Authority
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Derailed because he wasn't give preferential treatment to get into a school with grades that an overage student would have never been able to use to get into that school?
Derailed because he was promised a schollie that only sorta, mighta existed because the coach wasn't real sure yet, IMO.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:05 pm to smelvis
It would be ethical for the student to pay back their full scholarship if they don't fulfill the obligations of getting their degree and staying the full five years.
This post was edited on 5/23/11 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:05 pm to Alahunter
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He's an OSU fan. It's understandable he doesn't want to look into the practices of his own conference and school, but rather cast stones at SEC schools.
He's pretty harsh on Tressel, FYI.
So you think this is because of merely some axe to grind with the SEC?
Or that he, and a lot of people, have a problem with the ethical implications of oversigning?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:06 pm to smelvis
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Derailed because he was promised a schollie that only sorta, mighta existed because the coach wasn't real sure yet, IMO.
Not derailed at all if he didn't have to use athletics to gain entry into a university. It's his own fault, not a coaches.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:06 pm to smelvis
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Nope.
I have had several conversations with the guy who did though.
He's the one who tipped off the WSJ to the subject!
Well frick!
I've wasted a whole fricking afternoon with this
pussy. Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:07 pm to smelvis
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Or that he, and a lot of people, have a problem with the ethical implications of oversigning?
What about the ethical implications of allowing athletes to get into schools they can't academically justify gaining entry to?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:07 pm to smelvis
I think he has an axe to grind. I think that folks that continue to lose will use any argument they can to catch up, rather than do the hard work and make them relevent again. It's easier to cast dispersions than to actually earn something. Georgia is now falling into that trap. Georgia is becoming a welfare school of the SEC.
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