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Posted on 5/2/13 at 2:52 pm to TeLeFaWx
Nope I'm not confused
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 2:53 pm to danfraz
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The rest of us will lose coverage of our favorite team, no way around that
I understand what you're saying. On Friday nights there may be as many as 4 or 5 baseball games on TV when you take into account the regional networks like CSS and Cox Sports. Will that still hold once the SEC Network takes them all over? And I'm not counting the games being streamed online.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 3:00 pm to TigerCub
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On Friday nights there may be as many as 4 or 5 baseball games on TV when you take into account the regional networks like CSS and Cox Sports. Will that still hold once the SEC Network takes them all over?
That's what I'm worried about. I would hope that CST or CSS would still be able to broadcast SEC baseball games that SECN isn't showing.
By virtue of SECN claiming a lot of the games, it could potentially lead to more college baseball being shown in general though, provided this doesn't kill off existing networks, like CST.
With less SEC inventory, those channels would be able to show more CUSA, Sunbelt, Southland, etc. Which is a good thing for the sport.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 3:00 pm to TigerCub
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I understand what you're saying. On Friday nights there may be as many as 4 or 5 baseball games on TV when you take into account the regional networks like CSS and Cox Sports. Will that still hold once the SEC Network takes them all over? And I'm not counting the games being streamed online.
All that will stay prettymuch the same IMO. Why would the SEC or ESPN prevent games from being aired elsewhere that they aren't airing themselves and that they could make "free" money on? Only change is that instead of dealing with individual schools or learfield or whoever to "buy" games in tier 3, they will have to deal with ESPN and the SEC instead.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 3:06 pm to ProjectP2294
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By virtue of SECN claiming a lot of the games, it could potentially lead to more college baseball being shown in general though, provided this doesn't kill off existing networks, like CST.
It will lead to more CBB being shown by everyone. Just because the SEC now owns all it's tier 3 rights and will be able to pick and choose what it puts on this network and ESPNU doesn't mean that it will suddenly stop selling the overflow of individual games to other networks. Why "waste" inventory when there is money to be made? Those networks just have to go through a very different method of buying individual games now.
This doubles or triples the national SEC coverage for college baseball -- and all the regional coverage will stay prettymuch as it is currently IMO...
This post was edited on 5/2/13 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 5/2/13 at 3:15 pm to engie
Uh no
This will end each schools "side deals"
Cst and LSU won't have what they have now and other SEC schools that have the same kind of deals will also have to wrap those up
That's the point
It's great for national eyeballs but locals who enjoy their local team coverage will lose out
But that's the price for growth I guess
This will end each schools "side deals"
Cst and LSU won't have what they have now and other SEC schools that have the same kind of deals will also have to wrap those up
That's the point
It's great for national eyeballs but locals who enjoy their local team coverage will lose out
But that's the price for growth I guess
Posted on 5/2/13 at 3:30 pm to danfraz
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This will end each schools "side deals"
Did you actually read what I wrote?
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Cst and LSU won't have what they have now and other SEC schools that have the same kind of deals will also have to wrap those up
And why can't CST then make a deal with ESPN for the remaining LSU inventory that ESPN is not showing on it's networks? The answer is that they can and will. Instead of "buying" those games from Learfield or IMG, they will buy them from ESPN.
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It's great for national eyeballs but locals who enjoy their local team coverage will lose out
Again, it will not go down like that...
Posted on 5/2/13 at 3:33 pm to engie
Dude it's no longer LSU inventory
It's SEC inventory
It's SEC inventory
Posted on 5/2/13 at 3:40 pm to engie
Im not trying to be a dick an but:
Do you understand what that means?
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17.What access and programming is each school obligated to provide to the SEC Network?
Outside of the rights in the existing CBS and ESPN agreements, each school provides the rights and access to ALL other live events for the SEC Network.
Do you understand what that means?
Posted on 5/2/13 at 3:52 pm to danfraz
You obviously have no even remote understanding how tier 3 works. I'll try(again) explaining it to you -- but since you don't understand it already, chances are you won't figure it out now
Nor has it been "LSU inventory". It has always been sold as a bundle(since at least 2005) to CBS Collegiate Sports Properties. LINK
Just how the hell does changing from CBS control of this inventory to ESPN/SEC control of this inventory hurt you? Answer. It doesn't.
Which the excess of will be sold in the exact same way it always has to regional providers.
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Dude it's no longer LSU inventory
Nor has it been "LSU inventory". It has always been sold as a bundle(since at least 2005) to CBS Collegiate Sports Properties. LINK
Just how the hell does changing from CBS control of this inventory to ESPN/SEC control of this inventory hurt you? Answer. It doesn't.
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It's SEC inventory
Which the excess of will be sold in the exact same way it always has to regional providers.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 3:52 pm to danfraz
You can forget being able to see all 3 LSU baseball games this wkend. That will never happen under ESPN's contract with the league. And it will be ESPN having a major say in what games are played when & at what time. If it wants LSU to play the aggies on T.Giving nite, screw the fans, it will happen. When you sign a contract like this, it can be like making a deal with the devil. It's all in the details & a lot won't come out till it's too late & all the bitching & moaning won't change a thing. When the Fed govt gives out monies, it wants control of how it's spent. ESPN will too.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 3:55 pm to danfraz
Jesus you are dense.
It simply means ESPN gets to pick whatever the hell they want to show -- and can sell the rest of it to whoever the hell they want to sell the rest of it to.
You do understand that CBS has held your tier 3 rights(the rights we are discussing here) for the better part of the last decade, right?
LINK
Again, explain to me how ESPN controlling these rights for LSU is any different than CBS controlling them?
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Do you understand what that means?
It simply means ESPN gets to pick whatever the hell they want to show -- and can sell the rest of it to whoever the hell they want to sell the rest of it to.
You do understand that CBS has held your tier 3 rights(the rights we are discussing here) for the better part of the last decade, right?
LINK
Again, explain to me how ESPN controlling these rights for LSU is any different than CBS controlling them?
Posted on 5/2/13 at 3:56 pm to engie
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Not necessarily. On any given week, there can be up to 14 different SEC games looking for coverage. You certainly can't just assume this goes away.
But how is that possible when there are only 14 teams unless every single one of them are OOC that particular weekend, which never happens.
So what you have to figure is more along the lines of seven or eight games going-on on a given Saturday. Five in conference, two out of conference, and that does not include the first weekend but it does take into account off weeks.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 4:01 pm to engie
CBS sports properties is not CBS sports or CBS network
It's a arm that distributes to fsn etc
Not the same deal but you know it all
I've only worked in media management for the last 15 years but again you know all the ins and outs
Except that CBS sports properties is just a office basically and not a network
It's a arm that distributes to fsn etc
Not the same deal but you know it all
I've only worked in media management for the last 15 years but again you know all the ins and outs
Except that CBS sports properties is just a office basically and not a network
Posted on 5/2/13 at 4:12 pm to danfraz
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CBS sports properties is not CBS sports or CBS network
No shite.
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It's a arm that distributes to fsn etc
Who the hell do you think distributes this stuff TO CBS SPORTS PROPERTIES? Answer - ESPN does by not picking it up on tier 1 or 2.
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Not the same deal but you know it all
And you know nothing yet you keep talking.
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I've only worked in media management for the last 15 years but again you know all the ins and outs
Find this incredibly hard to believe, considering literally 3 posts ago, you were trying to tell me that LSU handled it's own tier 3 rights distribution. Your lack of understanding here is astounding really -- and if you actually work in the field, you should either be ashamed -- or you should go get your boss some more coffee.
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Except that CBS sports properties is just a office basically and not a network
And? It is a middleman for distributorship exactly like Learfield and IMG are. Buy the rights as a bundle, sell them individually, make a profit. That's EXACTLY what ESPN now is in owning all this inventory.
Let's step back and think logically. ESPN/SEC now owns all this inventory. It can only air X amount. What value does the remaining inventory bring if you shelf it and do not resell to other regional providers? Answer - ZERO value. Basically, the SECnetwork is taking enough of this inventory to make the network run -- and it's going to resell the rest of it EXACTLY like has always been done before.
This is not advanced marketing. It is Common. Sense.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 4:15 pm to engie
I've tried to not be personal with you dude
Think what you want
And we'll see all these side deals between espn and other networks in 14 months
Or we won't
Eta: why bother
Think what you want
And we'll see all these side deals between espn and other networks in 14 months
Or we won't
Eta: why bother
This post was edited on 5/2/13 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 5/2/13 at 5:19 pm to danfraz
It does bring to question another issue.
I assume all of our programs have their own Sports Properties Departments.
I know for the Gamecocks it is a division of Learfield Sports, Gamecock Sports Properties ( LINK). I've known Liz McMillan for twenty years, (beautiful woman), who heads-up our Gamecock Sports Properties.
Wonder if those departments will still be needed or will they go the way of the dinosaur? After all, if it is a foregone conclusion there is no longer a need to market a program's properties, they all go to these new deals.
Then there is the question of radio marketing rights. Did anyone hear anything about radio inventory? Live broadcasts and coaches' shows?
I assume all of our programs have their own Sports Properties Departments.
I know for the Gamecocks it is a division of Learfield Sports, Gamecock Sports Properties ( LINK). I've known Liz McMillan for twenty years, (beautiful woman), who heads-up our Gamecock Sports Properties.
Wonder if those departments will still be needed or will they go the way of the dinosaur? After all, if it is a foregone conclusion there is no longer a need to market a program's properties, they all go to these new deals.
Then there is the question of radio marketing rights. Did anyone hear anything about radio inventory? Live broadcasts and coaches' shows?
Posted on 5/2/13 at 5:20 pm to scrooster
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Did anyone hear anything about radio inventory? Live broadcasts and coaches' shows?
Does this mean that ESPN can fire...I mean "promote" Dave South and we can get someone competent??!!
Posted on 5/2/13 at 6:10 pm to scrooster
Joe alleva just said no more geaux zone with SECn
So if your school has something similar its done too
Radio rights won't be affected those still stay in house or however your school currently handles
Radio is finished so what does it really matter
So if your school has something similar its done too
Radio rights won't be affected those still stay in house or however your school currently handles
Radio is finished so what does it really matter
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