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re: SEC CG loser & their amount of games played

Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:10 pm to
Posted by Murph4HOF
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:10 pm to
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In the past 5 years, not one single SEC team with three losses was ranked inside the top twelve of the week 15 (post championship game) CFP rankings.
Number SEC teams ranked in the Top 12 of the final CFP rankings by season

2023- 4 (OU and TX also in there). SECCG loser ranked 5th.

2022- 3. SECCG loser ranked 17th with 4 losses.

2021- 3. SECCG loser ranked 3rd.

2020- 4, including Florida with 3 losses. SECCG loser ranked 7th

2019- 4, including Auburn with 3 losses. SECCG loser ranked 5th.

So the SECCG loser not being in the Top 12 is the exception over the last 5 years and there have been SEC teams with 3 losses in the Top 12 of the Final CFP poll.
Posted by captdalton
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:34 pm to
There is only one three loss SEC team in the last five years that was in the top 11 of the CFP rankings used to choose the playoff teams. Florida was ranked 7th in 2020, but that was a truncated, abnormal season.

In 2019 9-3 Auburn was ranked #12, but they would have been left at home for the top ranked G5 school who was ranked outside the top 12.

If you look at the rankings, you see how rare it would have been the last five years for a 3 loss SEC team to make a 12 team playoff assuming the committee has the same thought process as past committees. The only year one would have made it was 2020. And that year was an outlier.

I think fans of SEC teams with 3 losses are going to usually be very disappointed on playoff selection Sunday.
Posted by GreatPumpkin
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:42 pm to
Being the 5 seed might be the most beneficial some years depending on the way the bracket shapes up
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:44 pm to
It's starting to look like it's possible for a 2 loss SECCG loser getting their 3rd loss resulting in being left out of the playoffs completely, while a team sits at home for the SECCG and gets in with 2 losses.

This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 2:45 pm
Posted by Murph4HOF
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:55 pm to
Those were parameters you put. Top 12 and the last 5 years. You're free to go back to 2014 and see how many SEC teams with 3 losses are in the Top 11 or Top 12.

Yes, 2020 was an anomaly. You could speculate that without a truncated season there would have been more than one 3 loss SEC team in the Top 11 or 12 if a full season was played.

The fact is that is that 6/10 SECCG losers would have been in the CFP since the CFP began, and 3 loss SEC teams have been ranked in the Top 11/12 of the final CFP rankings. With no divisions, a 6-2 SEC team that plays in the SECCG is going to be a great team with the scheduling.

2017 Auburn would be a good analogy to a 2024 LSU if LSU were to lose the SECCG and have 1 SEC loss since they also had an early OOC loss. Auburn finished 8th in the final CFP with 3 losses.
Posted by captdalton
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:58 pm to
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So the SECCG loser not being in the Top 12 is the exception


Auburn would have made it with three losses and a loss in the SEC championship. They look like the only one.

The exception is the SEC runner-up having three losses. Let’s just throw out 2020. Other than that, in the 10 years since the CFP started, the loser of the SEC championship had three losses coming out of that game four times. Three of four times they were ranked outside the top 12 on selection day.
Auburn would have in 2017.

The previous 3 loss SEC runner-up was Florida in 2016. They were #15 in the CFP selection rankings.

The year before that, Florida also lost the SEC championship game. They entered the SEC championship game with 2 losses and ranked #12. After their loss, their third of the season, they fell six spots to #18.

In both of those seasons, one of Florida’s losses was out of conference to FSU.

The year before that Missouri entered the SEC championship game with two losses. They lost, picked up their third loss, and were ranked 16th in the CFP selection rankings.

Three examples of an SEC team picking up their third loss in the SEC championship game in a “normal” season meant they wouldn’t have made the playoffs. The only year in the history of the CFP they would have would have been 2017.

Based on this history, why are you so certain a three loss SEC championship game loser would make the playoffs?


This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 3:13 pm
Posted by 49 to nada
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 3:02 pm to
Yes it's been discussed, and yes if you make it to the CCG you better win the thing.

If you don't win then it's better for your playoff run to be sitting home as the 3rd place team that weekend. The loser of the CCG not only has the indignity of a loss with all eyes watching, but also gets no rest and recovery before jumping straight into the playoffs.
Posted by captdalton
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 3:04 pm to
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You're free to go back to 2014 and see how many SEC teams with 3 losses are in the Top 11 or Top 12.


I did just that. Other than the Auburn team you pointed out, the answer I came up with is zero. Zero SEC championship game losers with 3 losses were ranked in the top twelve on selection day.

Late season losses are usually crippling, even if they are in a championship game.

Feel free to correct me, it was a lot to flip through so I may have missed a team.
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 3:15 pm
Posted by captdalton
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 3:08 pm to
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Yes, 2020 was an anomaly. You could speculate that without a truncated season there would have been more than one 3 loss SEC team in the Top 11 or 12 if a full season was played.


You could also speculate that if so many programs hadn’t sat out all or much of the season, there would have been many more one and two loss teams that would have bumped Florida out of the top twelve. That seems much more logical to me based on history.
Posted by Murph4HOF
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 3:09 pm to
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Other than that, in the 10 years since the CFP started, the loser of the SEC championship had three losses coming out of that game three times. All three times they were ranked outside the top 12 on selection day.
That is incorrect. I already mentioned Auburn in whatever year it was they lost to UGA in the rematch in the SECCG.

You want to exclude 2020 just because of the circumstances, but I disagree. If more games played, there is a greater likelihood of teams picking up a 3rd loss, and the SEC still had 4 teams in the Top 12, including a team that picked up their 3rd loss in the SECCG.

Again, you aren't going to have some weak arse 10-2 team playing in the SECCG this year because they played in the East. There is no East. A 10-2 (7-1 or 6-2) team making it to Atlanta this season is a damn good team, not a 2014 Mizzou or a 2016 Florida.
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 3:17 pm
Posted by captdalton
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 3:19 pm to
You already mentioned Auburn. I thought that was established. I went and edited my posts for clarity.

Other than Auburn, are there any examples? All the additional ones I found, three of them, would have resulted in the team missing the playoffs.

So only 25% of the time would a 3 loss SEC championship game participant have made the playoffs. I am trying to understand why you think they would be a lock if it happened this year.
Posted by Murph4HOF
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 3:21 pm to
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I am trying to understand why you think they would be a lock if it happened this year.
Because there is no weak division to win and then pick up a 3rd loss in Atlanta.

I hope that is succinct enough.
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