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re: Saban tells players to put their politics aside, they are going to White House
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:18 pm to pvilleguru
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:18 pm to pvilleguru
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But you can easily avoid the types of entertainment you don't like.
Again. that is what I said I was doing. Entertainers (Actors, singers or sports) that decide to interject their personal opinions about politics in a public way will find themselves out of a job if they do not align with my own. It's human nature. We make friends with those that hold similar views, opinions and values as our own and we avoid those who do not.
I am like a lot of people. If I see an article about A favorite singer, actor or sports figure I take the time to read it. If they choose to turn this forum into a chance to make political statements then they risk alienating fans that might otherwise keep buying their music, seeing their movies/TV shows etc.
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Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:18 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:18 pm to DawgsLife
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My point has been that we are an entertainment driven society. I'm really not sure how anybody can argue this point, honestly.
Point taken. It's not one he is debating I don't think.
I think he's really just pointing out that all you have to do is be a critical consumer of news and information. I don't get info on Lindsey Lohan or those types of folks because I ignore media that deals with them. It's pretty easy to NOT read trash, and obviously biased news sources.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:22 pm to DawgsLife
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Again. that is what I said I was doing. Entertainers (Actors, singers or sports) that decide to interject their personal opinions about politics in a public way will find themselves out of a job if they do not align with my own...If they choose to turn this forum into a chance to make political statements then they risk alienating fans that might otherwise keep buying their music, seeing their movies/TV shows etc.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:26 pm to oman
shite, I'm a fan of at least 7 sports teams. I don't know the political leanings of any of the athletes, and I wouldn't really care if they told me.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:29 pm to oman
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Point taken. It's not one he is debating I don't think
Maybe. but that was the original point I was making when he weighed in on my comment.
quote:This is a fair point, but all news media covers it. It wasn't just ESPN that covered the National Anthem kneeling, or other entertainment related news. Shoot,"The View" falls under the News Division of ABC. That alone tells us what we need to know about ABC.
I think he's really just pointing out that all you have to do is be a critical consumer of news and information.
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I ignore media that deals with them. It's pretty easy to NOT read trash, and obviously biased news sources.
So if you see a story about a favorite Sports star and in that article ha begins to spill about his political views? That is pretty much what I am talking about.
But the conversation grew out of how our entertainers try to influence people with their personal political views. It has nothing to do with me being offended by their views. There are plenty of people that are willing to shape their opinions and views based upon an opinion espoused by Sean Penn, Tom Brady or some other entertainer.
Me? I simply vote with my pocketbook. I don't make someones political views an issue unless they make them an issue.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:29 pm to DawgsLife
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or if the news media actually did their jobs and quit interjecting their own personal opinions into the news and actually reported the.....news. The news has become opinion pieces...nothing more.
I don't disagree but you are only looking at this from one angle. The consumers have a part to play as well.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:33 pm to DawgsLife
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So if you see a story about a favorite Sports star and in that article ha begins to spill about his political views?
Go to the next paragraph or stop reading. As long as it doesn't affect the play on the field/court/ice, I really don't give a shite.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:40 pm to pvilleguru
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Go to the next paragraph or stop reading. As long as it doesn't affect the play on the field/court/ice, I really don't give a shite.
Which is your privilege. Certainly you can edit yourself, as can I. But what players do off the field matters. I find it difficult to be a fan of a player who abuses their girlfriend/wife or has other character flaws that I find offensive.
I just can't understand why we give athletes a far lower bar when it comes to behavior we find acceptable than we would for anybody else. This is not meant as a cut to you. It is just me. Everybody has standards that we set and there are always lines that we will not tolerate if they are crossed. We all have them, and they are all different. All I am saying is if I am an athlete and my livelihood depends on it, then I would keep controversial subjects off base for interviews. Why court problems when there is no need to?
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:42 pm to DawgsLife
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So if you see a story about a favorite Sports star and in that article ha begins to spill about his political views? That is pretty much what I am talking abou
I either lose interest or I don't care. Or there might be something about the sports star's background that might make his opinion worth listening to.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:42 pm to DawgsLife
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I find it difficult to be a fan of a player who abuses their girlfriend/wife
That's completely moves the goalposts. That goes from being political differences to legal issues.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:42 pm to rockiee
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I don't disagree but you are only looking at this from one angle. The consumers have a part to play as well.
Point well taken. If there was not a market for it, then it would not exist. I guess my point is that entertainment should be kept on the entertainment page and sports on the sports page and news on the news section. It's only my opinion, and I realize that a lot of people might not agree with me. I would prefer to read about sports when I see an article about my favorite player and leave his politics out of it.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:44 pm to pvilleguru
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That's completely moves the goalposts. That goes from being political differences to legal issues.
True, and probably not a good example to use. But there are times I want to be entertained and there are times I want news. There are times I want opinion. I just want them kept separately and I am tired of getting opinion when I see what is supposedly news.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:46 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Would you hire as your high school coach a person that locked down his records? But you elected that fools as president.
You would rather have elected Hillary who deleted the records?
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:46 pm to DawgsLife
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Point well taken. If there was not a market for it, then it would not exist
That's why I think talking about the consumers is more important. Right or wrong the media is going to chase the money and I don't think that will ever change.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:46 pm to DawgsLife
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Which is your privilege. Certainly you can edit yourself, as can I. But what players do off the field matters. I find it difficult to be a fan of a player who abuses their girlfriend/wife or has other character flaws that I find offensive.
You are probably younger than me, but I tend to be a fan of teams as opposed to individuals. When I was very young I probably put some players on a pedestal. But since becoming an adult I pretty much figure that adult athletes are as flawed as anyone else.
And any adult, depending on the circumstances, may have something interesting to say.
I would be interested in every single black athletes opinion on segregation in life and in sports prior to 1970. Every one. Now I probably require a bit more context before I consider the opinion of any person, athlete or not, on a political issue.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:47 pm to oman
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Or there might be something about the sports star's background that might make his opinion worth listening to.
I can't think of a single time in which I cared about a sports star's political opinion. Maybe you have. That's okay. All I am saying is it isn't an issue unless they make it an issue. I think it would be better for them if they kept private matters private.
The very ones that scream about the lack of privacy in our society are the very ones posting nude photos of themselves and talking about their private lives all over the media.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:49 pm to DawgsLife
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I am tired of getting opinion when I see what is supposedly news.
Constitution guarantees freedom of the press. But when newscasters are giving opinions/agendas that aren't news, then they aren't protected.
This post was edited on 4/10/18 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:49 pm to rockiee
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That's why I think talking about the consumers is more important. Right or wrong the media is going to chase the money and I don't think that will ever change.
Probably not. But news is supposed to be facts, not opinions and fluff. The whole point of news is to report what, when where and who.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 12:50 pm to PurpleandGeauld
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Constitution guarantees freedom of the press. But when newscasters are giving their opinions/agendas that isn't news, and isn't protected.
And more often than not, what we are getting is opinon and not news.
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