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re: "Returning Starters" that you hope lose their starting jobs
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:43 pm to 167back
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:43 pm to 167back
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Counting like that, LSU returns 13 starters on "D" alone. Think it's something like eight or nine on "O".
I mean, alright?
Dylan Moses was our starting ILB the 2nd half of his freshman year, as a sophomore and was the starting ILB last year until he tore up his knee up. He will be back to starting again. He's pretty clearly a returning starter.
I didn't realize LSU lost 4-5 guys to injury in 2019 that started in 2018 on offense and another 4-5 on defense, but if so then that would be good for you I guess.
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Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:50 pm to SummerOfGeorge
moses was a tr soph in '18, right? lee was a tr fr in '19, right? if moses was so much better then doesn't it stand to reason his numbers at the same position would be drastically better? plus moses played in two more games.
guess it is possible lee played more snaps in a 13 game season then moses in a 15 game season. possible but i doubt it.
guess it is possible lee played more snaps in a 13 game season then moses in a 15 game season. possible but i doubt it.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:51 pm to 167back
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moses was a tr soph in '18, right? lee was a tr fr in '19, right? if moses was so much better then doesn't it stand to reason his numbers at the same position would be drastically better? plus moses played in two more games.
guess it is possible lee played more snaps in a 13 game season then moses in a 15 game season. possible but i doubt it.
Numbers? As in what, tackles? I think we all know "# of tackles" is not how people evaluate football players.
Lee was not ready to play ILB in the SEC as a true freshman - mentally or physically. He played his arse off, but his body wasn't quick enough and he had to guess a lot (as is to be expected), not to mention he lined up next to another true freshman so he had zero help.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
my response to all those starters returning was in jest to some bama fan claiming barmore was a starter.
LSU did lose some '19 starters for multiple games. Just off the top of my head. Starting LT sat out six games. Starting WR, Marshall missed three plus games as did both starting DEs, Lawrence and Logan. Tigers backup DE, Farrell actually led all Dlinemen tackles, sacks and TFL. Starting OLB, Divinity only played in six games. Pretty sure Chaisson missed some games also.
Olineman Ingram started 11 games as a Tr Fr then got into some legal issues and missed first three or four games last season. Played a great deal every game once he came back.
LSU did lose some '19 starters for multiple games. Just off the top of my head. Starting LT sat out six games. Starting WR, Marshall missed three plus games as did both starting DEs, Lawrence and Logan. Tigers backup DE, Farrell actually led all Dlinemen tackles, sacks and TFL. Starting OLB, Divinity only played in six games. Pretty sure Chaisson missed some games also.
Olineman Ingram started 11 games as a Tr Fr then got into some legal issues and missed first three or four games last season. Played a great deal every game once he came back.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:04 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:06 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Gus Malzahn
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:07 pm to 167back
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my response to all those starters returning was in jest to some bama fan claiming barmore was a starter.
Barmore wasn't a starter, he was a contributor who played more as the year went on but was inconsistent.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:07 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Kellen isn’t going anywhere
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:07 pm to 167back
We have a lot of players that return with some experience due to injury and suspension. But, the only guys that I would consider to be able to list as returning starters outside of the obvious are Todd Harris and Ed Ingram. Then, JaCoby Stevens played a lot for Harris, so I would consider him a returning starter.
Who else are you considering that I didn't mention? I would like to say Rosenthal, but he only started 3 games.
Who else are you considering that I didn't mention? I would like to say Rosenthal, but he only started 3 games.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:08 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Numbers as in production on the field. Seems to me if two guys play the same position and one is soo much better than the other. That guys production on the field would reflect he was the better player.
Especially given the fact the better player played in 15 games compared to lesser player playing in 13.
Especially given the fact the better player played in 15 games compared to lesser player playing in 13.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:09 pm to AuburnTigers
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Gus Malzahn
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:11 pm to 167back
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Numbers as in production on the field. Seems to me if two guys play the same position and one is soo much better than the other. That guys production on the field would reflect he was the better player.
Especially given the fact the better player played in 15 games compared to lesser player playing in 13.
Shane Lee was forced to make a whole lot more tackles because
#1 - He played behind true freshmen DT. Moses played behind Q-Williams.
#2 - He was late to a lot of plays where he tackled a guy downfield.
#3 - He played beside another true freshman, Christian Harris, whereas Dylan Moses played beside veterans in Rashaan Evans and Mack Wilson.
#4 - Opposing offenses ran a ton more plays against us in 2019 because we couldn't get teams off the field.
I mean Lee averaged 6.62 TPG - Rashaan Evans averaged 6.17 TPG his senior year. I don't think anyone would argue 2019 Shane Lee was better than 2017 Rashaan Evans.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:14 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Dylan Moses played beside veterans in Rashaan Evans and Dylan Moses
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:16 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I know Barmore was a sub. It was some bama guy that proclaimed him to be a first teamer in another thread. He played some VS LSU but I noticed 99, 94, 48 and 91 on the field more than him. Those were the five Dlinemen I noticed bama played VS the tigers.
Just curious. Who were the backup ILBs in '18? Were they not on the team in '19 or were they beat out by the two Tr Fr? Seems like they would have stepped up as starters in '19 with moses injury and the other starter from '18 going pro.
Just curious. Who were the backup ILBs in '18? Were they not on the team in '19 or were they beat out by the two Tr Fr? Seems like they would have stepped up as starters in '19 with moses injury and the other starter from '18 going pro.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:18 pm to 167back
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Just curious. Who were the backup ILBs in '18? Were they not on the team in '19 or were they beat out by the two Tr Fr? Seems like they would have stepped up as starters in '19 with moses injury and the other starter from '18 going pro.
2018 Depth Chart
ILB #1 - Mack Wilson (NFL Draft), Josh McMillan (tore ACL)
ILB #2 - Dylan Moses (tore ACL), Markail Benton (played in 2019, was bad)
The plan was for Moses and Christian Harris to start. They loved Harris, but he was a very raw freshman who had played safety in HS and never played LB before. However, with Moses next to him he could grow up and just play.
Then Moses went down and they moved to McMillon who was a 5th year senior and knew the playbook but wasn't quite as athletic. Then McMillon went down.
At that point the other ILB options were:
- Shane Lee, a very smart and heady freshman who needed a year to shed weight and gain quickness
- Ale Kaho, a very gifted player who had barely been around the year before after family issues and was not mentally ready to call the defense
- Markail Benton, a guy they did not trust at all to call the defense
So, they decide their only real option was Shane Lee, because while he hadn't been on campus real long they trusted his ability to call plays and make at least very rudimentary checks at the LOS.
It was a culmination of misses in recruiting (Davis/Benton), weird factors (Kaho), injuries (McMillon/Moses), and premature NFL departures (Wilson).
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:22 pm to TigerLunatik
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TigerLunatik
Mack Wilson*
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:23 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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#4 - Opposing offenses ran a ton more plays against us in 2019 because we couldn't get teams off the field.
Alabama opponents only averaged around 2 plays more per game in 2019 vs 2018 according to TeamRankings.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:23 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Pete Golding
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:24 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Alabama opponents only averaged around 2 plays more per game in 2019 vs 2018 according to TeamRankings.
In total, yea. Against our 1st team defense, no.
I don't have snap totals in front of me but I'd be shocked if Lee didn't play 25-30% more snaps in 2019 than Moses did in 2018. We were winning almost every game we played in the 2018 regular season by 3+ scores at halftime. 1st team played very little in the 2nd half.
We had a lot less of that this year.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:31 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Some posters on here make out like McMillon was a big loss despite his lack of experience.
How do you feel about that?
How do you feel about that?
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