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re: Regarding the whole Bruce Pearl/Nate Oats comparison

Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:58 pm to
Posted by Squid
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:58 pm to
“All the talk” actually means “I wanted to post this so I pretended there’s been lots of talk.”
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 5:04 pm to
Haha

Someone is comparing Auburn’s Basketball success under Bruce to other coaches, we win.
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
2594 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 5:13 pm to
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Also, congratulations on your run, but not all runs are equal. You played 2 12 seeds, the weakest 1 seed, and a 5 seed. Not exactly the toughest road. As someone else said, the tourney is really just the luck of the draw.


Auburn basketball fans folks. And you wonder why they get called out for being newbies with extreme amounts of basketball ignorance.

At least he got 1 of the 4 right. Smh…how do you play 2 of the same seed in the first 4 games, and how do you play a 5 seed and 2 12s when the 5 played the only 12 in the opening round? Maybe stick to USC football, or equestrian.
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 6:21 pm
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 6:15 pm to
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Maybe stick to USC football, or equestrian.

This is solid advice. If we stuck to swimming and diving we would be much happier right meow.

Seriously though, AuburnUSCgrad needs to be summoned up to the Auburn board. Maybe he can detail the cultural differences of the two.
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
2594 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 6:21 pm to
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This is solid advice. If we stuck to swimming and diving we would be much happier right meow.


Wait, did we just find common ground? I’m uncomfortable now
Posted by AUSCgrad2016
Member since Apr 2024
36 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 6:28 pm to
My bad, I was rushing and was trying to remember off the top of my head. You played a 13 seed, a 12 seed and Clemson was a 6 seed. So actually, I gave your team too much credit for the teams they beat. Congratulations. Again, the point remains. Love that you and other UAT fans have to argue about semantics when you have no rebuttal.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36666 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 6:30 pm to
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Wait, did we just find common ground?

I think you should stop nitpicking....and be nice.
Posted by AUSCgrad2016
Member since Apr 2024
36 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 6:35 pm to
In all honesty, USC and Auburn have a lot of similarities culturally. Sports wise, they have so much in common. Talk with some other USC alums and they will tell you how disappointed we are in Lincoln Riley. USC has consistently disappointed in basketball and football in the past few years when we have had so much talent. Auburn basketball has been the only consistent sport of the two schools that I can actually get excited about in the past 10 years, haha. I’m really intrigued about the Mussleman hire. I don’t think he could do any worse than the overrated Enfield, we will see though.
Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 7:59 pm to
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Other than Pearl's 1 magical run to the Final 4 in 2019 and his 2 SEC regular season titles compared to Wimp's 1, Wimp has the better resume.


The SEC only had 10 teams for almost 100% of Wimp’s tenure. The fact Wimp only won one regular season title in an SEC that featured no Arkansas, no South Carolina, no Missouri, no Texas A&M… and was before the rise of Florida athletic dominance that started in the early ‘90s is a major red flag on his resume.

He also inherited a program that was doing quite well at the time compared to Bruce who had to dig Auburn out of a grave for the first 4-5 seasons.

Looking at Bruce’s overall win%, SEC record, etc. isn’t really a fair judgement of his coaching talent. Name one other coach who’s achieved his level of success that took over such a rebuilding job.

Since 2017-2018, Bruce’s winning % is 72.4%. In the last seven seasons, he’s just 3 games back from having the best record in SEC play during that time.

Bruce after building a foundation is way more impressive than Wimp on his foundation. Not even close really.
Posted by Foy
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 8:13 pm to
Why don't you regard my nuts, buddy.
Posted by AUSCgrad2016
Member since Apr 2024
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 8:44 pm to
I will add this as well as it pertains to comparing their current and Bruce. UAT has had the better overall talent, especially in the past 5 years, yet Bruce and their coach have the same accolades. If you want to look at facts, Bruce has done more with a much less talented roster and has overachieved in most years, whereas their coach is doing things that are expected of with rosters as talented as he has had since he’s been there.

Let’s put it another way. Do you think UAT’s coach would have been able to do what Pearl did and takeover a dead program and make it what it is now? And what would UAT look like if Pearl took over after they fired Johnson? I can tell you that UAT’s coach would not have near the impact as Pearl has had with Auburn. Their coach didn’t really build anything, he just installed a system that is NBA friendly. He’s not recruiting at some astronomical level. They had great talent before he got there. So yea, he’s doing a serviceable job given the amount of talent they have had, but I can tell you that he wouldn’t have those results if he had the roster Auburn has. To give you some perspective: last year, Auburn only had 1 4 star player out of high school and 1 coveted portal player (Broome) on the roster. UAT had multiple 4-5 star players on their team and Auburn still had a better regular season. Just a thought about what kind of coach Pearl is compared to their coach.
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
2594 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 8:53 pm to
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UAT has had the better overall talent, especially in the past 5 years, yet Bruce and their coach have the same accolades.


You sure????

Bro, Jang told me to be nice, but you’re making it difficult. In what world are 3 Sweet 16s, 1 E8, and 1F4 the “same accolades” as 0 Sweet 16s, 0 E8s and 0 F4s???? Is this some “special” Auburn engineering mathematics?
Posted by Bigbens42
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 8:57 pm to
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You sure???? Bro, Jang told me to be nice, but you’re making it difficult. In what world are 3 Sweet 16s, 1 E8, and 1F4 the “same accolades” as 0 Sweet 16s, 0 E8s and 0 F4s???? Is this some “special” Auburn engineering mathematics?
someone define last 5 years for this frickwad.
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
2594 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 9:02 pm to
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someone define last 5 years for this frickwad.


lol…for most intelligent people, that would mean the last 5 seasons of the sport in discussion.

Let me help you count Ben:
1) 2023-2024
2) 2022-2023
3) 2021-2022
4) 2020-2021
5) 2019-2020


Unless I’m missing something, Pearl has goose eggs in S16s, E8s, and F4s in the last 5 years. I guess you really are doing some “special” AU math!!! Trying to bring in a 6th season and call it 5 years…lulz
Posted by AUSCgrad2016
Member since Apr 2024
36 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 9:07 pm to
You know, reading comprehension is not your best and you definitely must be very new to basketball. You do realize that Auburn has had 2 SEC regular season titles and 2 SEC tournament titles, just like UAT. Also, both teams in the past 5 years have gone to the final 4. So, yes, same accolades. You don’t get a trophy making it to the Sweet 16. I acknowledged that UAT has had better success in the NCAAT but you also need to put it into context: for instance, the year you made it to the Sweet 16 with Miller was a disappointment since that team was loaded and a national title contender. Last year, your team overachieved and went to the final 4. Auburn in 2019 overachieved and then with Jabari and last year in the tournament were disappointments. The year before last Auburn was not expected to do anything. So, yea, really no big difference between Auburn and UAT in the past 5 years. And again, your team has had the more talented roster in the past 5 years, and Auburn has had nowhere near the talent that you have had yet, it’s pretty identical successes between the two. You might be new to basketball but I’m here if you need to get rundown on what success is considered for basketball. It’s totally different than what you are used to in football.
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
2594 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 9:10 pm to
There you go with an accomplishment that happened 6 seasons ago being counted in the “last 5 years.” And it happened in a season where Avery Johnson was the head coach of Bama.

AU basketball fans are exhausting. You guys are either purposefully lying, or just that ignorant. Either way, not a good look
Posted by AUSCgrad2016
Member since Apr 2024
36 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 9:15 pm to
There was no tournament in 2020. So yes, the last 5 tournaments Auburn and UAT have had a final 4. Again, if you want to use semantics, let’s use the last 6 years. It’s still the same. What makes it difficult for you and other UAT fans to acknowledge that Auburn is as good at basketball as your team? Why is that physically impossible for you to admit that Pearl is a good coach? And tell me you know nothing about basketball without telling me you know nothing about basketball when you can’t be objective about the talent disparity between Auburn and UAT in the past 6 years. Auburn has had 3 first rounders in that time frame, but other than those players, the rest of the roster was playing above their abilities.
Posted by Leto II
Arrakis
Member since Dec 2018
21398 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 9:17 pm to
Keep shoveling buddy.
It’s not a good look
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
2594 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 9:21 pm to
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Again, if you want to use semantics, let’s use the last 6 years. It’s still the same.


Bro, we’re using the last 5 seasons because that’s the only seasons that Oats and Bruce coached in the same conference. You want to count a season prior to Oats getting to Bama, because it makes Bruce look better. The fact is, Bruce has had absolutely zero success beyond the round of 64 in the NCAAT since Oats arrived. It’s a literal, undeniable fact…that newly minted AU basketball fans can’t seem to grasp.

There’s literally zero chance that KY, Arky, UNC, Duke, Kansas, or any other knowledgeable basketball fanbase would be taking the stance you guys are!!! In fact, Bruce would now be on the hot seat if he was at any of those programs. Heck, KY was about to fire Cal and give him $30mm for 5 yrs of tournament ineptitude and he had a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP WIN, NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP LOSS, and pretty sure at least 1 other final four! You guys know so little about basketball, it’s painful.
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 9:23 pm
Posted by AUSCgrad2016
Member since Apr 2024
36 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 9:23 pm to
Read my post replying to this one. You’re using semantics again. I’ll even concede and say I meant to say 6. It doesn’t change the narrative. Auburn and UAT have been equal in basketball in those years. You and your illiterate fans cannot have rational conversations because you and your brethren have this innate belief that UAT is better at everything than any other team. It really is a sickness within your fandom. I have acknowledged that your team is good, you have had a good run. But damn, you act like your team has been the Golden State Warriors and your players are from the YMCA and your coach has been doing miracles at what he has been dealt. You are not objective whatsoever, just like a typical UAT fan. I really believe a prerequisite in being a fan of UAT is to belittle every other team and when facts distort your narrative, you will move the goalposts or resort to name calling. Also, I can do this all night. Again, I’ve played basketball and been around basketball for over 25 years. I can guarantee you haven’t had that type of experience, you are just a casual fan who is rightfully enjoying a good run in basketball.
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