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Posted on 8/11/20 at 6:38 pm to GusAU
Posted on 8/11/20 at 6:38 pm to GusAU
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So, you're going to totally disregard players that finished their last year of college football, then immediately played an 18 game USFL season after which a couple of them were picked up by NFL teams after the USFL season to play their 3rd consecutive season without an off-season?
How many of those players died?
If we were in the 80's, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all.
At any rate, I'm sure it took some out of them.
This post was edited on 8/11/20 at 6:40 pm
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Posted on 8/11/20 at 7:02 pm to 3down10
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At any rate, I'm sure it took some out of them.
You're sure some of them of them died?
Posted on 8/13/20 at 5:39 pm to GusAU
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You're sure some of them of them died?
Are you familiar with the concept of sample sizes?
Posted on 8/13/20 at 6:17 pm to Tidemeister
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38 mins. ago:
"Unless someone proves otherwise, playing football in spring followed by another season in fall of 2021 is irresponsible for health reasons beyond Covid."
This is probably to try to convince recruits to stay and when they signed then it gets cancelled!
Posted on 8/13/20 at 6:19 pm to Tidemeister
And when someone proves otherwise the hive mind will just scream that it’s not true...
Posted on 8/13/20 at 7:07 pm to Tidemeister
I have no idea if football will be played in the spring or not, and don’t necessarily want it... But the people that say spring football is “impossible” are just talking out of their arse. My guess is everyone wants a regular fall schedule, and while that is still a possibility (at least in the SEC/ACC/B12), they refuse to acknowledge the very real possibility of spring college football.
Even with the obvious logistical hurdles, They’ll find a way to make it happen if it comes to that.
Even with the obvious logistical hurdles, They’ll find a way to make it happen if it comes to that.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 8:16 pm to Reservoir dawg
quote:come on people.
Neither conference may have any real intention of playing in the spring. It's probably a smokescreen.
remember, 'mandatory mask for 2 weeks'?
still counting weeks and still no one can provide data showing masks are effective.
and it's still an illegal mandate. BS.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 8:27 pm to 3down10
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Are you familiar with the concept of sample sizes?
Yes, I am...are you?
Can you explain the relevancy to the question that I asked?
Posted on 8/13/20 at 8:32 pm to gamecockman12
U smart
Posted on 8/13/20 at 8:34 pm to GusAU
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Yes, I am...are you?
Can you explain the relevancy to the question that I asked?
You say you do, but then you think comparing a few people who did 1 thing to an entire bulk of college players isn't a problem?
Posted on 8/13/20 at 8:36 pm to 3down10
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You say you do, but then you think comparing a few people who did 1 thing to an entire bulk of college players isn't a problem?
So, you consider over 100 players a few people?
Look, I'm not trying to argue with anyone. I'm just asking a legitimate question.
I'm not sure how familiar you are with the USFL, but they lasted three seasons and easily several hundred college seniors and NFL players that were cut from their teams played an 18 game season.
Why is that just dismissed?
Three consecutive Heisman Trophy winners (Herschel Walker, Doug Flutie, Mike Rozier) went straight from college to play in the USFL in the spring.
Bobby Hebert went straight from college to the USFL for the spring....played three seasons, then went straight to the NFL (the Saints) after the 1985 USFL season was complete.
That is just to name a few.
This post was edited on 8/13/20 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 8/13/20 at 9:02 pm to GusAU
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So, you consider over 100 players a few people?
Look, I'm not trying to argue with anyone. I'm just asking a legitimate question.
I'm not sure how familiar you are with the USFL, but they lasted three seasons and easily several hundred college seniors and NFL players that were cut from their teams played an 18 game season.
Why is that just dismissed?
1 college team has 85 players, 125 players counting walk-ons. There are like 130 FBS teams alone. That's well over 10.5k players, and over 16k counting walk-ons.
Not to mention those 100 players were probably in the top tier for health/physicality. And they were being paid to do it.
Apples and Oranges.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 9:19 pm to 3down10
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Apples and Oranges.
Not at all. It's funny how many people argue that college football players are some of the healthiest college age people at universities to defend them playing this Fall (which I totally agree with).
But now, only the ones that played two and some even three consecutive seasons without an offseason were in the top tier physically, while I guess the others are just out of shape, beer bellied bubbas.
A bit of a stretch, but whatever....
And getting paid does not make something that is VOLUNTARY more or less dangerous.
Apparently, you seem bothered by the simple fact that some conferences may end up playing in the spring, so I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:40 pm to GusAU
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Not at all. It's funny how many people argue that college football players are some of the healthiest college age people at universities to defend them playing this Fall (which I totally agree with).
But now, only the ones that played two and some even three consecutive seasons without an offseason were in the top tier physically, while I guess the others are just out of shape, beer bellied bubbas.
A bit of a stretch, but whatever....
And getting paid does not make something that is VOLUNTARY more or less dangerous.
Apparently, you seem bothered by the simple fact that some conferences may end up playing in the spring, so I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
If you had 10k college players doing that, there would be some serious injuries. There is just no way around the fact that more games in a shorter amount of time equals more injuries. Fatigue increases your risk of injury.
If you took 100 random college players and tested them for most things you wouldn't find much. You get into bigger numbers and you are much more likely to find cases of something bad.
Simple math. Sample size is important.
This post was edited on 8/13/20 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:47 pm to 3down10
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Simple math. Sample size is important.
Not true and not true.
Again, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
I will admit that I'm looking forward to some spring football...even if it's only the Ivy League.
This post was edited on 8/13/20 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:03 pm to GusAU
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Not true and not true.
Again, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
I will admit that I'm looking forward to some spring football...even if it's only the Ivy League.
If you buy 100 scratch lottery tickets and 10000 scratch lottery tickets, which one would have more wins?
I wouldn't hold my breathe on spring football.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:15 pm to reboil
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They have spring football practice every year. Why is it suicide to play real games then ?
You haven't been following college football very long, have you?
In the spring you only get a grand total of 15 practice days and then a spring game where your QB doesn't even get tackled.
Do I have to explain any more?
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:17 pm to LSU82BILL
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NFL teams play 16 games in 4 months and Super Bowl teams play 19 games in 5 months with a 53 man roster.
Why couldn't college teams play 24 games in 9 months with 105 players?
The problem with playing in the Spring is the potential for injury prior to the April draft.
No, the problem is players who get season-ending injuries requiring surgery that otherwise would be healed by fall camp. Now they'll likely miss the following season.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:32 pm to 3down10
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If you buy 100 scratch lottery tickets and 10000 scratch lottery tickets, which one would have more wins?
Absolutely irrelevant to the discussion, If only three conferences play this Fall, there will 100% be less injuries than a normal season just because there are fewer players playing. That doesn't make football itself less dangerous than normal because fewer players are playing.
However, it is laughable that you seem to be bothered by the potential of someone actually playing in the spring. Not sure why you're so adamant it can't be done despite facing actual examples of it happening. Just because you choose to ignore the examples does not mean they are not factual.
I've given you actual real-life examples of players playing without an off-season, but you refuse to even acknowledge the possibility, while dismissing it as illogical.
You first suggest the sample size of well over 100 players is too small (not sure what that threshold number is). And I'm not even counting the 100+ players that played in these spring leagues: WLAF/NFL Europe, XFL1, AAF and XFL2 immediately following a Fall season.
You then use the excuse that they were getting paid. Not sure how that changes the health component (which is what the topic is about).
Then you suggest/imply that the few hundred players that have actually played consecutive seasons successfully, were obviously super human athletic specimens.
Ok, you've made it quite clear you really don't want spring football games that actually matter. That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion.
However, your opinion is hardly gospel and playing this spring is absolutely something that could be pulled off. If it were so dangerous, why would the NFL even suggest adjusting the draft schedule to accommodate the possibility of spring football?
Not going to change your mind, so for the final time, I'll (since you don't seem to want to) just agree to disagree with you.
Hopefully, SEC will stand their ground and play this Fall. This country really could benefit from a season being played.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:38 pm to GusAU
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Not at all. It's funny how many people argue that college football players are some of the healthiest college age people at universities to defend them playing this Fall (which I totally agree with).
But now, only the ones that played two and some even three consecutive seasons without an offseason were in the top tier physically, while I guess the others are just out of shape, beer bellied bubbas.
A bit of a stretch, but whatever....
And getting paid does not make something that is VOLUNTARY more or less dangerous.
Apparently, you seem bothered by the simple fact that some conferences may end up playing in the spring, so I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
Your missing the entire point. It’s not that spring football couldn’t be done if all the big ten And pac-12 administers and presidents had the mentality of the 1980’s DM’s of course it can be done. The people who are saying it WONT happen are looking at the fact that this is 2020 and we are in a hyper litigious sue happy culture combined with “helicopter” parents. Combine that with 2 leagues who are more concerned with image and appearance to all of this and it’s easy to read the tea leaves on what will happen.
Of course it COULD be done but we are looking at those in charge as NOT wanting to really take All those chances In fall or spring. Of course the players and coaches want to play nobody is denying that at all. The same DM’s who just cancelled fall ball despite almost 100% willingness to play by the teams all the their staff will be the same DM’s who will have a good excuse in hand by March or April of 2021 to “postpone till the fall once again”.
This post was edited on 8/14/20 at 12:56 am
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