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re: Rank the BCS national championship winning quarterbacks
Posted on 2/13/11 at 5:15 pm to ottothewise
Posted on 2/13/11 at 5:15 pm to ottothewise
Give me Craig Krenzel ANY day. 
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Posted on 2/13/11 at 9:52 pm to arwicklu
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Tebow had Percy Harvin. That helps too.
True, but Newton had 2 800 yard backs in his year at Auburn, under the best offensive coordinator in the game and behind the most veteran line in the country.
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You can spin the stats however you want but a ton of factors go into things. Tebow had an unreal career. Newton had one of the best seasons ever. They're both badasses.
Newton is definitely top 3 for this decade. Tebow was better and some could make a case for Vince Young (I'm not going to get into can of worms).
Posted on 2/13/11 at 9:59 pm to GamecockAlum
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Newton is definitely top 3 for this decade. Tebow was better and some could make a case for Vince Young (I'm not going to get into can of worms).
Totally agree. Honestly I think you can argue for those three in any order. I prefer Tebow because the guy played at a Heisman level for years. The guy was the first since Walker to attend three straight Heisman awards.
Posted on 2/13/11 at 10:08 pm to joeyb147
From your own post, proving my point.
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You are completely ignoring supporting casts. Tebow NEVER had another 800 yard back to take pressure off of me. He NEVER had an offensive line that had the experience that Newton did.
You are also ignoring the fact that with the exception of 2 games, Newton was taking all the snaps until the end of games. Tebow would be sitting by the 4th quarter in blowouts and his back-up (some guy named Cameron Newton) would take his snaps. In fact there were at least 5 games in 2007 that Tebow left at the end of the 3rd/early 4th because Newton was in taking the snaps.
Even still, this does not address the fact that Tebow had 5 more touchdowns than Newton in one less game; Threw one less interception despite having 70 more attempts; Had a higher completion percentage.
Newton had a spectacular year, but individually, Tebow's was better. Not to mention the fact that Tebow proved himself over 4 years. Newton proved himself only one season. Not to mention the fact that Tebow won his heisman in his second season of college football; Newton was a 4th year player.
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2007 - Tebow - 560 - 43.1 per game - 321 yds/game
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2010 - Newton - 544 - 38.9 per game - 309 yds/game
You are completely ignoring supporting casts. Tebow NEVER had another 800 yard back to take pressure off of me. He NEVER had an offensive line that had the experience that Newton did.
You are also ignoring the fact that with the exception of 2 games, Newton was taking all the snaps until the end of games. Tebow would be sitting by the 4th quarter in blowouts and his back-up (some guy named Cameron Newton) would take his snaps. In fact there were at least 5 games in 2007 that Tebow left at the end of the 3rd/early 4th because Newton was in taking the snaps.
Even still, this does not address the fact that Tebow had 5 more touchdowns than Newton in one less game; Threw one less interception despite having 70 more attempts; Had a higher completion percentage.
Newton had a spectacular year, but individually, Tebow's was better. Not to mention the fact that Tebow proved himself over 4 years. Newton proved himself only one season. Not to mention the fact that Tebow won his heisman in his second season of college football; Newton was a 4th year player.
Posted on 2/13/11 at 10:25 pm to GamecockAlum
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You are completely ignoring supporting casts. Tebow NEVER had another 800 yard back to take pressure off of me. He NEVER had an offensive line that had the experience that Newton did.
Tebow hadn't a better supporting cast around him. His 3 starting years he was surrounded by all sec players. The OL talent was similar but he had Harvin, Louis Murphy, Hernandez, Ingram, etc etc etc. Auburn didn't have anyone outside of Newton and OL players on the all sec first or second team this year.
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Newton had a spectacular year, but individually, Tebow's was better. Not to mention the fact that Tebow proved himself over 4 years. Newton proved himself only one season. Not to mention the fact that Tebow won his heisman in his second season of college football; Newton was a 4th year player.
Agree with this.
Posted on 2/13/11 at 11:28 pm to GamecockAlum
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From your own post, proving my point.
8.0 yards per play
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7.5 yards per play
Tebow had more plays per game than Newton. Swallow that tidbit first.
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Tebow NEVER had another 800 yard back to take pressure off of me.
Percy Harvin at 764 seems pretty good.
Newton averaged more than a yard more per rush than Tebow.
Tebow accounted for 34% of Florida's rushing yards.
Newton accounted for 37% of Auburn's rushing yards.
Auburn was just a lot better rushing team than Florida was. Averaging more than 80 yards per game than Florida did.
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You are also ignoring the fact that with the exception of 2 games, Newton was taking all the snaps until the end of games. Tebow would be sitting by the 4th quarter in blowouts and his back-up (some guy named Cameron Newton) would take his snaps. In fact there were at least 5 games in 2007 that Tebow left at the end of the 3rd/early 4th because Newton was in taking the snaps.
You are also ignoring the fact that Tebow averaged 43 plays a game while Newton averaged 39 plays a game. Therefore, that entire rumbling doesn't actual make sense when you insert facts to back up your theory.
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Even still, this does not address the fact that Tebow had 5 more touchdowns than Newton in one less game; Threw one less interception despite having 70 more attempts; Had a higher completion percentage.
And a lower passer rating.
Posted on 2/13/11 at 11:44 pm to Bench McElroy
1. Newton- I hate him but I honestly believe that if you take him away from AU they were a 5 loss team this season. Not flaming AU fans ya'll had an amazing season and congrats on the win but Newton was the only player I've ever seen that literally was completely un-stoppable in 13 games (looked shitty in the NC)
2-Tebow
3- Vince Young
GAP
Leinart- Maybe I'm being biased but I felt like alot of his yards came from bubble screens and slants. Nothing wrong with that I just though Bush was alot more valuabe to the 05 and 06 teams than Leinart IMO
2-Tebow
3- Vince Young
GAP
Leinart- Maybe I'm being biased but I felt like alot of his yards came from bubble screens and slants. Nothing wrong with that I just though Bush was alot more valuabe to the 05 and 06 teams than Leinart IMO
Posted on 2/13/11 at 11:58 pm to GamecockAlum
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Newton had a spectacular year, but individually, Tebow's was better. Not to mention the fact that Tebow proved himself over 4 years. Newton proved himself only one season. Not to mention the fact that Tebow won his heisman in his second season of college football; Newton was a 4th year player
No. Tebow was a much better person therefore people tend to like him more and give him the nod over Newton. Tebow didn't prove himself in 4 years, he did it in 3. He was a glorified FB Leak was the QB of that team make no mistake about it. Not to mention the fact that his defenses were frickings stacked. AU did have Fairley but Florida had play makers everywhere. Tebows amazing heisman season they went 9-4. Good not great. AU went through a brutal SEC and came out perfect. Oh yeah and his OC was Dan Mullen. Mullen>Malhzan (or however the hell you spell it) and Charlie Strong was their DC. Think about it man rivals just did their pre-season top 25 and AU wasn't in it, I guarantee if Cam was back they would be top 10.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 12:12 am to Tigah32
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No. Tebow was a much better person therefore people tend to like him more and give him the nod over Newton. Tebow didn't prove himself in 4 years, he did it in 3. He was a glorified FB Leak was the QB of that team make no mistake about it. Not to mention the fact that his defenses were frickings stacked. AU did have Fairley but Florida had play makers everywhere. Tebows amazing heisman season they went 9-4. Good not great. AU went through a brutal SEC and came out perfect. Oh yeah and his OC was Dan Mullen. Mullen>Malhzan (or however the hell you spell it) and Charlie Strong was their DC. Think about it man rivals just did their pre-season top 25 and AU wasn't in it, I guarantee if Cam was back they would be top 10.
Tebow won the Heisman as a soph. Newton won it in his fourth year. You can play whatever games you want. They're both awesome. The fact that Tebow was at the Heisman awards 3 straight years says a lot. They fact they're both national champs and have a Heissman makes this a silly conversation. VY was equally good. The game he had against USC may be the greastest single game ever.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 12:13 am to arwicklu
GO SUCK ON A COCK AND LIKE IT
Posted on 2/14/11 at 12:13 am to ACL11190
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Posted on 2/14/11 at 12:25 am to ACL11190
quote:Agreed. But the whole subject is ranking and its pretty fun. But IMO Tebow didn't deserve to go to the Heisman ceremony his Sr. Year I think it was pretty obvious that it was going to be Ingram or Gerhart. And Suh was coming off of the monstrous Big 12 game. I'm just saying I honestly he went for the simple reason he was Tebow.
You can play whatever games you want. They're both awesome. The fact that Tebow was at the Heisman awards 3 straight years says a lot. They fact they're both national champs and have a Heissman makes this a silly conversation.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 12:47 am to joeyb147
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8.0 yards per play
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7.5 yards per play
Tebow had more plays per game than Newton. Swallow that tidbit first.
Both are impressive, yet you are not considering how each was used and how each gained their yardage.
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Percy Harvin at 764 seems pretty good.
Not bad considering he was a wide receiver.
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Newton averaged more than a yard more per rush than Tebow.
Considering the lines and how they gained yards, it's hard to expect otherwise.
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Auburn was just a lot better rushing team than Florida was. Averaging more than 80 yards per game than Florida did.
They rushed more so it was to be expected. Florida was better at passing however.
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And a lower passer rating.
Passing efficiency weighs Yards per attempt more heavily than it should. For example, for the NCAA passing effiency rating, it is better to be 1-2 for 50 yards rather than 2-3 for 60 yards.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 6:36 am to GamecockAlum
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2007 - Tebow
9-4
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2010 - Newton
14-0
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You are completely ignoring supporting casts. Tebow NEVER had another 800 yard back to take pressure off of me. He NEVER had an offensive line that had the experience that Newton did.
Florida's offensive line has more NFL players on it than Auburn's did. Florida had an elite player in Percy Harvin. You think Auburn would have been able to produce two 800 yard backs if not for Newton's ability to scare the hell out of the defense?
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Not to mention the fact that Tebow won his heisman in his second season of college football; Newton was a 4th year player.
Tebow got more experience in his first year than Newton had in his previous three combined.
If you want to say Tebow had the better career that's fine. But, there is pretty much no way to objectively watch both of these guys play over the course of a season and determine that Tebow was a better football player or more valuable to his team.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 7:07 am to AUTigLN11
Tebow had/has CHARACTER, INTEGRITY & LEADERSHIP SKILLS that Cam Newton and his "handlers" (and pimp dad) would never dream about because a dollar value cannot be placed on those intangibles.
Cam is a Whore .... Tebow is a Messiah.
Tebow would forgive Cam and Cam would sell Tebow.
Cam is a Whore .... Tebow is a Messiah.
Tebow would forgive Cam and Cam would sell Tebow.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 8:53 am to Crow Pie
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Tebow had/has CHARACTER, INTEGRITY & LEADERSHIP SKILLS
One thing you could count on Tebow to lead was his team to at least one embarrassing loss every year.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 9:03 am to AUTigLN11
You have to look at the (Return on Investment as well)
Tebow (Free) / 1 Heisman, 1 NC and helped on another.
Newton (at least $352,000) $180,000 *probably more* to play ball + $170,000 atty fees + $2000 in stolen lap tops that have yet to be recovered./ 1 NC + 1 Heisman.
Tebow = much better ROI for UF than Cam for AU.
Tebow (Free) / 1 Heisman, 1 NC and helped on another.
Newton (at least $352,000) $180,000 *probably more* to play ball + $170,000 atty fees + $2000 in stolen lap tops that have yet to be recovered./ 1 NC + 1 Heisman.
Tebow = much better ROI for UF than Cam for AU.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 9:03 am to AUTigLN11
And one thing you could count on Cam leading his team to was probation.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 9:10 am to AUTigLN11
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One thing you could count on Tebow to lead was his team to at least one embarrassing loss every year.
Tebow didn't have Fairley to bail him out when he played poorly.
Posted on 2/14/11 at 9:11 am to arwicklu
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Tebow didn't have Fairley to bail him out when he played poorly.
Wait, I thought our defense was terrible this year?
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