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re: Rank 2007 LSU, 2010 Auburn, and 2013 Auburn According to Luck
Posted on 4/4/14 at 5:39 pm to craigbiggio
Posted on 4/4/14 at 5:39 pm to craigbiggio
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2011 Bama and 2012 Bama were luckier than that team.
You missed the point. There are 3 largely uncontrollable factors that affect a team's season: the "lucky" bounces, other teams ahead of or with more momentum in the rankings losing, and injuries.
2010 Auburn went undefeated and won several close matches but let's not pretend that Auburn dominated their opponents from start to finish. Things like an opponent's dropped, game-clinching pass in the endzone or an untimely turnover can make all the difference between a win and a loss.
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 5:43 pm to parkjas2001
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2009 Bama
Had to block two FGs against a real bad Tenn team at home to win.
Benefitted from a missed spearing call in the BCSCG game against Texas that knocked out the starting QB.
Had to come from behind against a 5 loss AU team in the final seconds to win the IB
That's 3 games. I'm sure other people can point out similar things in the 7 one possession wins that Auburn had and the 2 games (Arkansas, Georgia) that weren't decided until the 4th quarter.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 5:43 pm to Aurora Borealis
Y'all didn't even win your division and still got to play for the title. It doesn't get much luckier than that.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 6:23 pm to Aurora Borealis
2011 Alabama
Posted on 4/4/14 at 6:32 pm to Aurora Borealis
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I figured people would respond that way. 2011 wasn't the first time there was a rematch in the national championship nor was it the first time a non-conference champion competed in the national championship. Alabama had some unprecedented fortune that season, but in reality they only depended on Oklahoma State and maybe Oregon losing to make it there. Why should Oklahoma State not be penalized for losing to 6-6, unranked Iowa State? Before someone talks about the psychological disadvantage of a rematch between good teams, I'd like you to revisit the 1999, 2003, and 2010 SEC Championships. Those rematches weren't arranged, but the team that narrowly won the first matchup blew out that same opponent in the rematch.
Big difference between Conference rematchs and playing for a NC in a rematch. First of all the rematches in the SECCG was determined by on the field results and could not be altered by computers or media polls. To lose a game at home in November and be allowed to have a rematch with the same team in 60 days, while your opponent had to win its way into the game, is the biggest farce in BCS History.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 7:01 pm to Irons Puppet
2009 Bama is definitely number 1.
It was actually 4 games they probably should have lost. Refs gift wrapped the lsu game for them.
2011 Bama is #2 with the rematch.
2007 lsu is next with all that happened on that last weekend.
2012 Bama and 2013 AU are next as both needed help after the loss.
2010 AU isn't really on the list as they didn't back into anything and had no crazy plays at the end of games to win. They won some games in the 4th quarter but wasn't anything lucky about any of the wins. And they didn't lose any unlike the others.
It was actually 4 games they probably should have lost. Refs gift wrapped the lsu game for them.
2011 Bama is #2 with the rematch.
2007 lsu is next with all that happened on that last weekend.
2012 Bama and 2013 AU are next as both needed help after the loss.
2010 AU isn't really on the list as they didn't back into anything and had no crazy plays at the end of games to win. They won some games in the 4th quarter but wasn't anything lucky about any of the wins. And they didn't lose any unlike the others.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 8:48 am to jvilletiger25
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1. 2011 Bama
2. 2009 Bama
3. 2007 LSU
What's your reasoning? How is a 2-loss national champion that lost to two eventual 5-loss teams and struggled with 4 other opponents less lucky to make it to the national championship than an undefeated team that only had 4 close contests all season? 0 < 2, 4 < 6
Posted on 4/5/14 at 8:51 am to parkjas2001
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2011 Bama
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Does not compute. How were we lucky to win...when we didn't win.
This thread isn't about winning the national championship, and for that reason it isn't about 2009, 2011, or 2012 Alabama. Furthermore, those 3 teams aren't in the OP, so any rebuttals involving them don't even answer the question and are a clear sign of rustled jimmies or immaturity.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 8:56 am to Aurora Borealis
I'm absolutely SHOCKED that an Alabama fan left out their 2011 season. 
Posted on 4/5/14 at 8:59 am to Korin
This thread did not go the way the OP had hoped.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 9:00 am to MetryTyger
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If anything, LSU had BAD luck in 2007, losing in triple OT to #14 UK, and the REAAAAALLLY unlucky one - losing to Arkansas in triple OT after giving up a FOURTH AND TEN to them with a 28-21 lead in regulation !!!
How was LSU 'lucky' that everyone in front of them lost ?? I should think it would have been lucky for the underdogs that beat them. We didn't "make" them lose....LSU won 11 games in regular season, including by six touchdowns over Va.Tech and defending champ Florida, plus the SECCG without our starting QB !
Did anyone actually read the entire OP? "Luck" and "fortune" refer to largely uncontrollable events that help your team get to the national championship. After LSU's 1st loss, how many teams had to to lose for LSU to become ranked in the Top 2 again? After their second loss, how many teams had to lose for them to be ranked in the Top 2 again? In those 1 possession wins versus Florida, Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee, just how close was LSU to losing any of those games?
People keep mentioning 2011 and 2012 Alabama. 2011 Alabama's luck occurred off of the field; that's it. They only had one close game all season, and it was to #1 LSU. They dropped to #3; you can argue that they deserved to be #4, which doesn't matter since Oregon would later lose to U.S.C. Oklahoma State was ranked #2 and loss to a 6-6 unranked Iowa State team, and y'all believe they deserved the bid simply because they won the Big 12, a conference that doesn't have a championship game, and they had a couple more quality wins? Also, y'all wanted to preserve LSU's dream season because I suppose y'll feared that LSU actually wasn't better than Alabama. Y'all barely managed to get out of Tuscaloosa alive, and you didn't want to have to go through such anxiety again.
Also, the home-field arguments versus Alabama need to stop. Not all teams' operate under the so-called "home-field advantage". Look at Texas A&M's home record versus ranked SEC teams the past 2 seasons. South Carolina is strong at home and has built a stellar record there the past few seasons; Alabama on the other hand has been stellar on the road the past few seasons.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 9:02 am to Tigercoop40
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The team not even winning it's division in it's own conference getting a chance for the National Championship.. This one is a winner every day.
Why do division championships matter? Either you win your conference or you don't.
2001 Nebraska and 2003 Oklahoma did not win their conference. I recall LSU benefiting from "the system" in 2003, as you avoided what many still felt was the best team in 2003.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 9:03 am to parkjas2001
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There were 9.
Sorry, I meant participants.
I'll correct that now.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 9:04 am to Aurora Borealis
At least Nebraska and Oklahoma won their division.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 9:04 am to Aurora Borealis
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Why do division championships matter?
wat?
Posted on 4/5/14 at 9:05 am to Aurora Borealis
If 2010 AU is "lucky", then so is 2009 Bama.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 9:06 am to Aurora Borealis
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Aurora Borealis
If anyone has rustled jimmies it's you for listing 2010 Auburn.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 9:08 am to parkjas2001
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According to the OP, other teams losing causes luck. Ok St lost to Iowa St and Bama got to play for a national title...hence lucky.
Yes, and I admitted that many national champions need such to happen. The difference between 2011 Alabama and 2007 LSU/2013 Auburn is that Alabama only needed 2 teams tops to lose.For those arguing 2011 Alabama over 2007 LSU, why don't y'all actually revisit the BCS rankings that year then get back to me? Thanks.
2013 Auburn benefited from Michigan State's loss to Notre Dame and Stanford's loss to U.S.C. or Utah. So that would make them even with 2011 Alabama if it weren't for the Prayer in Jordan Hare and Kick 6. How many people knew Auburn would score a touchdown before the plays happened? It was improbable both times.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 9:09 am to Korin
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quote:Aurora Borealis
Posted on 4/5/14 at 9:09 am to parkjas2001
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Hell 2012 Bama was based on luck as well.
UGA had the SECCG in the bag but a lucky tipped pass gave Bama the win.
That wasn't luck. CJ was in the right place, which is what you'd expect out of the team's leading tackler. Georgia got lucky to return a blocked field goal that should never have occurred. A DPI call was withdrawn b/c the refs thought the ball was tipped at the line, which there clearly was no evidence for in the replay.
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