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R. Bowen Loftin lays out what started the Big 12 falling apart.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:51 pm
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:51 pm
This was in the 2008/2009 time frame before the events involving Colorado to PAC-10 and Nebraska/Missouri talking to the Big 10 with Nebraska leaving.
"Going back more than 10 years, I became aware of a six-month or longer effort between Larry Scott, the Pac-10 and DeLoss Dodds about Texas and other schools going with them to the west coast. That was done without other schools being talked about. Larry Scott showed me a complete schedule for all sports for a 16-team conference. It had been going on for months and months without us knowing it."
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"Going back more than 10 years, I became aware of a six-month or longer effort between Larry Scott, the Pac-10 and DeLoss Dodds about Texas and other schools going with them to the west coast. That was done without other schools being talked about. Larry Scott showed me a complete schedule for all sports for a 16-team conference. It had been going on for months and months without us knowing it."
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Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:52 pm to Emmanuel Goldstein
That is how Texas works. Always have, always will. They are snakes
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:54 pm to Emmanuel Goldstein
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"Going back more than 10 years, I became aware of a six-month or longer effort between Larry Scott, the Pac-10 and DeLoss Dodds about Texas and other schools going with them to the west coast. That was done without other schools being talked about. Larry Scott showed me a complete schedule for all sports for a 16-team conference. It had been going on for months and months without us knowing it."
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:57 pm to Emmanuel Goldstein
It started falling apart when Texas demanded Nebraska raise its standards.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 12:01 am to ColoradoAg
So they're snakes and y'all are pussies. It all makes sense now
Posted on 7/24/21 at 12:03 am to GetOutMeSwamp
Sure thing swamp rat. Just try and do better than 5-5 this year, if you can.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 12:22 am to GetOutMeSwamp
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So they're snakes and y'all are pussies. It all makes sense now
Wanna see some pussies?
1st & goal inside the 1
Pussies
Posted on 7/24/21 at 12:25 am to Emmanuel Goldstein
Congrats on winning the Super Bowl.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 12:26 am to cardboardboxer
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It started falling apart when Texas demanded Nebraska raise its standards.
So when the Big 12 was created, and the new rules were put in place..
1) Did Texas solely make all of the rules for the Big 12?
2) Do you believe that the Big 12 should have allowed Prop 48 players? These are partial qualifiers who only met 1 of the NCAA’s entrance requirements. > 700 SAT & 2.0 GPA
I have no idea when these rules were discussed, or who made them, but I do know that the Big 12 had to sign off on them in some way shape or form. Someone could have told them to frick off..
Even if Big Bad Texas forced everyone else to sign off on them, that makes everyone at fault, including Texas.
What probably happened is that the Presidents of the Big 12 signed off on the new rules together, and as a league, they did not want to allow Prop 48 players anymore. The Big 10 didn’t have them. The PAC didn’t have them. Why should the Big 12?
To your point, I agree. Nebraska always blamed Texas for losing their Prop 48 players and therefore they were always looking to get out of the Big 12.
Was how exactly is that all Texas’s fault?
Posted on 7/24/21 at 12:27 am to Emmanuel Goldstein
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Wanna see some pussies?
Yes but instead you showed some really bad LSU football.
Bait and switch is illegal son.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 12:27 am to ColoradoAg
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Sure thing swamp rat. Just try and do better than 5-5 this year, if you can.
This stuff is so predictable from you folks. Win something…anything…of importance. I mean, you got the win last season. Congrats. Nice job in the Orange Bowl too. For your sake, I hope that’s the best you have. Otherwise, enjoy not winning a title in your lifetime. I’ll fondly remember at least 3.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 12:29 am to BigBro
Texas proposed the standard.
You think A&M cared back then? Lol.
You think A&M cared back then? Lol.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 12:44 am to cardboardboxer
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You think A&M cared back then? Lol.
Who knows? I guess it will always just be Big Bad Texas..
I did find this interesting..
Missouri & Big 10 Talks - Dec 2009
I believe this is a full 6 months before the Pac 16 deal was even announced. From what I can tell, the Big 10 started talking to schools about 6 months before that in hopes of expanding to 12 in order to have a conference championship game.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 12:52 am to cardboardboxer
Posted on 7/24/21 at 1:06 am to BigBro
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I believe this is a full 6 months before the Pac 16 deal was even announced
That was the second time. The first time Texas was holding talks with the PAC-10 without consulting any other schools.
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"It all started when Loftin found out Texas was talking to the Pac-10 about joining and bringing multiple schools including Texas A&M with it. That prompted a phone call to then-commissioner Mike Slive in 2009 -- he got his number by asking his AD Bill Byrne to ask his son Greg for it -- and gauged whether the SEC would have interest in adding Texas A&M.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 1:14 am to Emmanuel Goldstein
Mic drop
Posted on 7/24/21 at 1:32 am to BigBro
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It started falling apart when Texas demanded Nebraska raise its standards.
So when the Big 12 was created, and the new rules were put in place..
1) Did Texas solely make all of the rules for the Big 12?
2) Do you believe that the Big 12 should have allowed Prop 48 players? These are partial qualifiers who only met 1 of the NCAA’s entrance requirements. > 700 SAT & 2.0 GPA
I have no idea when these rules were discussed, or who made them, but I do know that the Big 12 had to sign off on them in some way shape or form. Someone could have told them to frick off..
Even if Big Bad Texas forced everyone else to sign off on them, that makes everyone at fault, including Texas.
What probably happened is that the Presidents of the Big 12 signed off on the new rules together, and as a league, they did not want to allow Prop 48 players anymore. The Big 10 didn’t have them. The PAC didn’t have them. Why should the Big 12?
To your point, I agree. Nebraska always blamed Texas for losing their Prop 48 players and therefore they were always looking to get out of the Big 12.
Was how exactly is that all Texas’s fault?
What about Texas standards to do what is best for themselves and Oklahoma. Leave others to accept what been given to the rest of the schools.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 1:38 am to TrueLefty
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What about Texas standards to do what is best for themselves and Oklahoma. Leave others to accept what been given to the rest of the schools.
Exactly. Maybe Nebraskans are just dumb. Who are we to judge?
Posted on 7/24/21 at 1:58 am to TrueLefty
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What about Texas standards to do what is best for themselves and Oklahoma. Leave others to accept what been given to the rest of the schools.
So Texas should not look out for their own best interests during a negotiation? I would expect any school to look out for their own self interest. It doesn’t mean that they will always get everything that they want.. and if they do, that is because the other schools either agreed that it helped them, or they didn’t care, or they didn’t want to cross Big Bad Texas. And if that last option is the answer, then that is their fault for allowing Texas to bully them.
It’s pretty simple. The guy with the biggest swinging dick is going to have the upper hand until he is faced with one or many who will stand up to them.
Bottom line: Every single school should look out for their own self interest to the extent that they can get what they want. When they can’t get it all, they are forced to back down or go in a different direction. That is life. It happens all around us every day.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 2:16 am to Emmanuel Goldstein
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Wanna see some pussies?
1st & goal inside the 1
Pussies
Got 'em
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