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re: Question for you Gumps. Houndstooth and NC discussion inside.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:34 pm to Alahunter
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:34 pm to Alahunter
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But folks don't regulate their arguments to just 41, and try to attack the others, when their own programs share titles in the years they claim. Take Auburn for instance.... They must acknowledge Ohio States claim to a NC and a share, since no other program claims titles that aren't more than legit.
Football (7) 1942, Coach Paul Brown
1954, Coach Woody Hayes
1957, Coach Woody Hayes
1961, Coach Woody Hayes
1968, Coach Woody Hayes
1970, Coach Woody Hayes
2002, Coach Jim Tressel
It appears Auburn is claiming bogus ones or at the very least, a shared one.
Auburn claims the on in 1957 as it was awarded to us by the AP. That same year the UPI (who had it's own poll at the time) awarded it's title to Ohio State. Both are legit NC's in that it was very common for teams to share national championships at that time. In fact, if you want to delegitimize national championships based on the fact they were shared then Alabama would have to remove the following years from it's records...
1925
1926
1930
1934
1941
1961
1964
1965
1973
1979
1992
You see, when we get into the business of claiming any and every NC given by any Tom, dick or Harry we run into the fact that prior to just a few short years ago, due to the plethora of different services awarding NC, virtually every year saw shared NC's
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Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:36 pm to TreyAnastasio
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You clearly dont know any Michigan fans
I don't, actually. If they yap about half century old accomplishments of a team representing a school they live by half as much as people in Alabama, I'll be glad to never know one.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:36 pm to Alahunter
This is where the claim of 13 is based. We claim the bold ones.
2009 – 14/0/0
Alabama: BCS
1992 – 13/0/0
Alabama: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Eck, FACT, FB News, Football Research, FW, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NY Times, Sporting News, UPI/NFF, USA/CNN
1979 – 12/0/0
Alabama: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT, FB News, FW, Helms, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, NY Times, Poling, Sagarin, Sporting News, UPI
1978 – 11/1/0
Alabama: AP, FACT, Football Research, FW, Helms, National Championship Foundation, NFF
1977 – 11/1/0
Alabama: Football Research
1975 – 11/1/0
Alabama: Matthews
1973 – 11/1/0
Alabama: Berryman, UPI
1966 – 11/0/0
Alabama: Berryman
1965 – 9/1/1
Alabama: AP, Billingsley, Football Research, FW, National Championship Foundation
1964 – 10/1/0
Alabama: AP, Berryman, Litkenhous, UPI
1961 – 11/0/0
Alabama: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FB News, Football Research, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Sagarin, UPI, Williamson
1945 – 10/0/0
Alabama: National Championship Foundation
*1941 – 9/2/0
Alabama: Houlgate
1934 – 10/0/0
Alabama: Dunkel, Houlgate, Poling, Williamson
1930 – 10/0/0
Alabama: Football Research, Parke Davis
1926 – 9/0/1
Alabama: Billingsley, Football Research, Helms, National Championship Foundation, Poling
1925 – 10/0/0
Alabama: Billingsley, Boand, Football Research, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Poling
*UofA claims 1941 but really should not – We have a much stronger claim for 1945 and 1966 but do not claim them
2009 – 14/0/0
Alabama: BCS
1992 – 13/0/0
Alabama: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Eck, FACT, FB News, Football Research, FW, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NY Times, Sporting News, UPI/NFF, USA/CNN
1979 – 12/0/0
Alabama: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT, FB News, FW, Helms, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, NY Times, Poling, Sagarin, Sporting News, UPI
1978 – 11/1/0
Alabama: AP, FACT, Football Research, FW, Helms, National Championship Foundation, NFF
1977 – 11/1/0
Alabama: Football Research
1975 – 11/1/0
Alabama: Matthews
1973 – 11/1/0
Alabama: Berryman, UPI
1966 – 11/0/0
Alabama: Berryman
1965 – 9/1/1
Alabama: AP, Billingsley, Football Research, FW, National Championship Foundation
1964 – 10/1/0
Alabama: AP, Berryman, Litkenhous, UPI
1961 – 11/0/0
Alabama: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FB News, Football Research, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Sagarin, UPI, Williamson
1945 – 10/0/0
Alabama: National Championship Foundation
*1941 – 9/2/0
Alabama: Houlgate
1934 – 10/0/0
Alabama: Dunkel, Houlgate, Poling, Williamson
1930 – 10/0/0
Alabama: Football Research, Parke Davis
1926 – 9/0/1
Alabama: Billingsley, Football Research, Helms, National Championship Foundation, Poling
1925 – 10/0/0
Alabama: Billingsley, Boand, Football Research, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Poling
*UofA claims 1941 but really should not – We have a much stronger claim for 1945 and 1966 but do not claim them
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:36 pm to TotalYatMove
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What was I wrong about. Was it that I mentioned no other school would use Bama's standards? Yes, I suppose you are right
No suppose to it. You were wrong. Your argument and claim was based on a lack of knowledge in general. Trying to dismiss it and now downplay it makes you look quite inept now. I've shown you 2 major programs that have done it, and now I'll provide you with yet a third, and all are considered among the best college football has had to offer in the history of college ball.
Notre Dame generally is considered to have earned 11 consensus national titles (1924-29-30-43-46-47-49-66-73-77-88). But there have been 19 seasons in which Notre Dame has qualified as a national champion from at least one legitimate poll, with all teams receiving national championship mention and their individual selectors noted
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:37 pm to Darth_Vader
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if you want to delegitimize national championships based on the fact they were shared then Alabama would have to remove the following years from it's records...
1925
1926
1930
1934
1941
1961
1964
1965
1973
1979
1992
1978 was shared. I didn't know 1979 or 1992 was shared.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:37 pm to jameison125
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jameison125
Nice title change BTW..
no flame..
You started a mess huh..
Roll Tizide!
This post was edited on 12/13/11 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:38 pm to T Rey WI
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*UofA claims 1941 but really should not – We have a much stronger claim for 1945 and 1966 but do not claim them
Which is what I don't understand. What makes 1941 more legitimate than 1945 or 1966? Serious question.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:38 pm to Darth_Vader
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Auburn claims the on in 1957 as it was awarded to us by the AP. That same year the UPI (who had it's own poll at the time) awarded it's title to Ohio State. Both are legit NC's
But wait.. those were awarded before the Bowl games. That's part of Au fans' arguments in trying to downplay Bama's.
Amusing watching you claim titles, that you try to belittle Bama for.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:38 pm to ohiovol
Houlgate. It is the common selector for all titles awarded pre AP.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:39 pm to ohiovol
I'd take what he types with a grain of salt. I've already shown his lack of knowledge and outright lies in his arguments.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:41 pm to Alahunter
so now you resort to calling me a liar? Please tell me what lie I have told?
As for your "facts", I never said Alabama was the only program to claim titles that others consider not worthy of such acclaim. I simply, and truthfully I might add, stated they claim titles that others would not and do not claim.
Perhaps if you took sometime to actually read and perhaps had the slightest grasp on even an elementary level reading comprehension skill set you would have realized all this without first making a total fool of yourself and me having to point it out to you.
As for your "facts", I never said Alabama was the only program to claim titles that others consider not worthy of such acclaim. I simply, and truthfully I might add, stated they claim titles that others would not and do not claim.
Perhaps if you took sometime to actually read and perhaps had the slightest grasp on even an elementary level reading comprehension skill set you would have realized all this without first making a total fool of yourself and me having to point it out to you.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:41 pm to Alahunter
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Trying to dismiss it and now downplay it makes you look quite inept now.
Funny, I feel much less inept than the guy who is spending his time defending something he knows is questionable.
Btw, your link states that ND COULD claim 19, but only claims 11. That seems to go against what you are so desperately trying to prove.
eta:
Also, College Football Data Warehouse actually recognizes 13 championships for ND. So they recognize 2 less than that. It recognizes 12 for Bama, which is 1 less than Bama recognizes.
FWIW, it recognizes 4 for LSU, also more than LSU claims itself.
This post was edited on 12/13/11 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:41 pm to taylormade
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taylormade
I'm not mad at all. This just became my new favorite board.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:42 pm to Alahunter
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Houlgate. It is the common selector for all titles awarded pre AP.
I honestly think it makes more sense just to use the 'Pre-AP, Rose Bowl' standard and just claim the other 4.
With the exception of 1941, I'd argue Bama's standards for claiming national titles are actually better than most other teams.
This post was edited on 12/13/11 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:44 pm to Alahunter
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Darth_Vader
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Alahunter
I don't know that much about Bama's past NC's but I would love to sit back and see yall argue in person. This is too entertaining. I'll buy the beer.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:44 pm to Darth_Vader
Look Darth Hater as a barner we expect you to deflect and deney it's in your blue and orange blood your program has done this their entire history.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:45 pm to Darth_Vader
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As for your "facts", I never said Alabama was the only program to claim titles that others consider not worthy of such acclaim. I simply, and truthfully I might add, stated they claim titles that others would not and do not claim.
Again, I'll point out this is a bold faced lie and back it up with 3 of the most storied programs in College Football in previous posts. You're wrong, whether you actually believe your lie or not.
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Perhaps if you took sometime to actually read and perhaps had the slightest grasp on even an elementary level reading comprehension skill set you would have realized all this without first making a total fool of yourself and me having to point it out to you.
I quoted your statements and showed you from the other teams' own websites, where these claims are done. I also showed you where Auburn claims 1957 in the exact same way Bama claims AP/UPI titles since the inception of those.
I called you a liar, because you continue to perpetuate the lie and refuse to acknowledge that everything you stated was wrong and coming from bias because of your affiliation for Auburn, rather than actually knowing anything.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:45 pm to Alahunter
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But wait.. those were awarded before the Bowl games. That's part of Au fans' arguments in trying to downplay Bama's.
Amusing watching you claim titles, that you try to belittle Bama for
And what shared AP or UPI title have I "belittled" Alabama for? AP & UPI have long been the standard for claiming NC's. And it was the standard at that time they were awarded before the bowls were played. You should be glad this was the case due to the fact that Bama lost it's bowl game on a number of years it was awarded and NC.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:46 pm to TotalYatMove
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Btw, your link states that ND COULD claim 19, but only claims 11. That seems to go against what you are so desperately trying to prove.
Not quite. Bama COULD claim more, but they don't. I simply showed you they claimed titles the same as Bama pre-AP poll. Proving you wrong in your assertion that other programs don't do it.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:46 pm to ohiovol
I don't disagree with you at all.
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