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Posted on 8/27/12 at 4:58 pm to dkreller
I don't typically pull for SEC East teams unless they're playing Ga Tech. So, it's mostly a hate thing. I do like to see South Carolina beat Clemson, however. Frick Clemson.
I hate UF a lot since they've beaten our asses pretty much every year since the CD player was invented. That's like, 2 technologies ago (CD Player -> mini disc -> iPod). So you can understand my pain. I did pull for them, however, when they played Ohio State in National Title game.
I also very much enjoyed watching Tennessee getting screwed in that bowl game vs North Carolina. And of course, I wanted Oregon to beat AU.
I hate UF a lot since they've beaten our asses pretty much every year since the CD player was invented. That's like, 2 technologies ago (CD Player -> mini disc -> iPod). So you can understand my pain. I did pull for them, however, when they played Ohio State in National Title game.
I also very much enjoyed watching Tennessee getting screwed in that bowl game vs North Carolina. And of course, I wanted Oregon to beat AU.
Posted on 8/27/12 at 5:00 pm to dkreller
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I understand all of those reasons but I took his comment about OOC games to pertain to regular season games not bowl games.
The reasons still stand. Any time a major rival gets another loss it diminishes their season a bit. I just don't see one, not even one, single reason why I should want auburn, bama, or tennessee to win their OOC games this weekend.
Posted on 8/27/12 at 5:01 pm to FinleyStreet
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I did pull for them, however, when they played Ohio State in National Title game.
Why?
Posted on 8/27/12 at 5:02 pm to WG_Dawg
I understand your reasoning. Y'all are sandwiched by a lot of relevant teams. Us...not so much.
Posted on 8/27/12 at 5:04 pm to FinleyStreet
Growing up in SEC country (Columbus GA) I brought a fair bit of knowledge with me to Missouri. I always felt as if the SEC was the strongest football conferene and most years they proved it. I especially argued this with the Big Rusty fans around here because its palpably true they run a slow and ugly brand of football.
Having said that, the Big8 was a pretty strong conference and B12 also, but not up and down better than the SEC. I followed the bowl season especially close and clubbed the other fans over the head with it as needed.
Having said that, the Big8 was a pretty strong conference and B12 also, but not up and down better than the SEC. I followed the bowl season especially close and clubbed the other fans over the head with it as needed.
Posted on 8/27/12 at 5:04 pm to dkreller
Yeah, which is why I said I don't really care as much if LSU, Arkansas, the mississippis, and now aTm and Missouri do well. They don't really go head to head with us for recruits most of the time.
Posted on 8/27/12 at 5:12 pm to tigerforever7
Prior to last year I didn't really care much about the SEC one way or another. That is most likely due to the fact that I never considered any of the SEC teams perennially overrated like I did teams from the PAC or the Bigs.
The more I learn about the SEC the happier I am with the move.
The more I learn about the SEC the happier I am with the move.
Posted on 8/27/12 at 5:23 pm to Stripes314
I always respected the SEC but really the big difference has been what it has done in the BCS era. I loved the old SWC before Arkie left, especially when A&M played LSU every year. That was a great schedule. The SEC was down back in the '80s relative to now but still respectable for certain. Just not dominant.
When Arkie left the SWC and SMU was destroyed by the death penalty the SWC was a dead man walking. The early '90s were great as an Aggie fan to win but it felt like playing an FCS school most of the time. The idea behind the Big 12 was a good one but it was just never developed well. Back then Colorado was a real power along with NU. OU was rebuilding as was Texas. A&M was still strong. It was fun. Still it never felt right. At the same time the SEC seemed like it was a step ahead with a conference championship game and how they marketed themselves. They always seemed to be setting the trends while the Big 12 was being reactive.
The last decade saw the resentments in the Big 12 grow and situations like Colorado basically stopping to care about football really hurt. Once Texas finally won in '05 they went over the top. It was as if no one else existed suddenly and Texas owned the Big 12 when '05 was actually only their 2nd League Title. The politics just got really nasty and the league truly became "haves and have nots" more than ever.
At the same time the SEC seemed to really get their stuff together under Slive. The league truly started to work for a greater good from an outside perspective and use its collective power to dominate. The TV contracts got better. The facilities and coaches salaries got mammoth. The SEC simply started separating itself from the pack. I remember being frustrated when A&M would have a few games a year that weren't on TV and then a few that looked like they were a HS broadcast and then at the same time you could turn on ESPN or CBS and see top notch productions of multiple SEC games. It was very frustrating to have more SEC games on TV in Texas than Big 12 games and to have them in better quality with more coverage. The SEC seemed to really figure out the key was owning ESPN while the Big 12 seemed to be mainly on Fox Sports Southwest.
Of course the other factor was watching the games it was hard not to get wrapped up. You would have Tech at Iowa State or some nonsense on Fox SW playing in a small stadium with poor production value or you could turn on ESPN and see Georgia at Tennessee or Auburn at LSU in front of huge crowds with a real college atmosphere in HD. The SEC just separated itself from the crowd. The Big 1G seemed to hang around in the early '00s but they simply didn't have the talent anymore to hang and who wants to watch a bunch of Yankees play anyway?
The SEC always had a lot of natural fit though. A&M has always been a tradition crazy school surrounded by others in the SWC and Big 12 that think they are too cool to have them. Most Big 12 fans just aren't that passionate about their schools, maybe part of that is Texas having so many different schools and loyalties. Regardless the fanaticism of the SEC was always a fit. There is nothing Aggies like to do than to get into a contest about who can be more overboard in their love for their school. We love big stadiums and huge productions. Honestly in the Big 12 the school we probably had the most in common with was Nebraska culture wise (phenomenal road trip if you ever get the chance btw). The SEC is just loaded with schools like that, you could just feel the passion even watching it on TV.
Timing is everything. In truth though it would have made sense in many ways for A&M to go to the SEC sooner the match wouldn't have been as good as it is now. For instance I don't think you can understate how much the Bonfire accident changed the culture of A&M in many ways. It would be far more difficult to walk away from that rivalry if Bonfire still existed in it's previous form on campus (there is an off campus Bonfire now but it isn't the same at all) which I still would stack up against any college tradition anywhere. I think it took some of the actions that Texas took in the last few years to really make the break there, meaning the reality that Texas had no interest in building the Big 12 up but rather tearing everyone else down. It just became unhealthy. At the same time you could see how the SEC seemed to work together. They hate each other on gameday but they always put the interest of the conference first.
In the end for me I remember I was in the California Wine country when the first re-alignment mess broke and it looked like we were going Pac 10. I was really kind of getting jazzed about it. Then suddenly the SEC option came up. After a day or two it just all made perfect sense. The greatest irony though to me was the thing that pushed A&M mentally into the SEC was when Dodds gave A&M the "if you leave we won't play you in any sports" ultimatum. At that point it united Aggies together that Texas had no interest in being a partner but thought we would just be their little bitch. We promptly told them to suck it and at that point the bond was broken and it was just a matter of time.
When Arkie left the SWC and SMU was destroyed by the death penalty the SWC was a dead man walking. The early '90s were great as an Aggie fan to win but it felt like playing an FCS school most of the time. The idea behind the Big 12 was a good one but it was just never developed well. Back then Colorado was a real power along with NU. OU was rebuilding as was Texas. A&M was still strong. It was fun. Still it never felt right. At the same time the SEC seemed like it was a step ahead with a conference championship game and how they marketed themselves. They always seemed to be setting the trends while the Big 12 was being reactive.
The last decade saw the resentments in the Big 12 grow and situations like Colorado basically stopping to care about football really hurt. Once Texas finally won in '05 they went over the top. It was as if no one else existed suddenly and Texas owned the Big 12 when '05 was actually only their 2nd League Title. The politics just got really nasty and the league truly became "haves and have nots" more than ever.
At the same time the SEC seemed to really get their stuff together under Slive. The league truly started to work for a greater good from an outside perspective and use its collective power to dominate. The TV contracts got better. The facilities and coaches salaries got mammoth. The SEC simply started separating itself from the pack. I remember being frustrated when A&M would have a few games a year that weren't on TV and then a few that looked like they were a HS broadcast and then at the same time you could turn on ESPN or CBS and see top notch productions of multiple SEC games. It was very frustrating to have more SEC games on TV in Texas than Big 12 games and to have them in better quality with more coverage. The SEC seemed to really figure out the key was owning ESPN while the Big 12 seemed to be mainly on Fox Sports Southwest.
Of course the other factor was watching the games it was hard not to get wrapped up. You would have Tech at Iowa State or some nonsense on Fox SW playing in a small stadium with poor production value or you could turn on ESPN and see Georgia at Tennessee or Auburn at LSU in front of huge crowds with a real college atmosphere in HD. The SEC just separated itself from the crowd. The Big 1G seemed to hang around in the early '00s but they simply didn't have the talent anymore to hang and who wants to watch a bunch of Yankees play anyway?
The SEC always had a lot of natural fit though. A&M has always been a tradition crazy school surrounded by others in the SWC and Big 12 that think they are too cool to have them. Most Big 12 fans just aren't that passionate about their schools, maybe part of that is Texas having so many different schools and loyalties. Regardless the fanaticism of the SEC was always a fit. There is nothing Aggies like to do than to get into a contest about who can be more overboard in their love for their school. We love big stadiums and huge productions. Honestly in the Big 12 the school we probably had the most in common with was Nebraska culture wise (phenomenal road trip if you ever get the chance btw). The SEC is just loaded with schools like that, you could just feel the passion even watching it on TV.
Timing is everything. In truth though it would have made sense in many ways for A&M to go to the SEC sooner the match wouldn't have been as good as it is now. For instance I don't think you can understate how much the Bonfire accident changed the culture of A&M in many ways. It would be far more difficult to walk away from that rivalry if Bonfire still existed in it's previous form on campus (there is an off campus Bonfire now but it isn't the same at all) which I still would stack up against any college tradition anywhere. I think it took some of the actions that Texas took in the last few years to really make the break there, meaning the reality that Texas had no interest in building the Big 12 up but rather tearing everyone else down. It just became unhealthy. At the same time you could see how the SEC seemed to work together. They hate each other on gameday but they always put the interest of the conference first.
In the end for me I remember I was in the California Wine country when the first re-alignment mess broke and it looked like we were going Pac 10. I was really kind of getting jazzed about it. Then suddenly the SEC option came up. After a day or two it just all made perfect sense. The greatest irony though to me was the thing that pushed A&M mentally into the SEC was when Dodds gave A&M the "if you leave we won't play you in any sports" ultimatum. At that point it united Aggies together that Texas had no interest in being a partner but thought we would just be their little bitch. We promptly told them to suck it and at that point the bond was broken and it was just a matter of time.
Posted on 8/27/12 at 5:27 pm to genro
WG_Dawg
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I was pulling for y'all against Boise and was embarrassed and nauseated when y'all got whipped.
+1 more
Posted on 8/27/12 at 5:30 pm to tigerforever7
Hell yeh! I've watched a few SEC games throught he years. I was alittle disapointed when I heard Mizzou was looking at the B10, but I was elated when I heard they didn't want us cause that ment the next stop would be the SEC! It's always been an above average conference. It is the best football and basketball conference period. You want face time and recognition? Play in the SEC. You want a good chance at getting drated? Play in the SEC. It's the best of the best bar none.
Why is the SEC better? Ya'll stick together whether you want to admit it or not. Look at the USCw thing going on now. Every SEC fan hates USCw. You guys have a great and plentiful recruiting base also.
Why is the SEC better? Ya'll stick together whether you want to admit it or not. Look at the USCw thing going on now. Every SEC fan hates USCw. You guys have a great and plentiful recruiting base also.
Posted on 8/27/12 at 5:34 pm to aggressor
Enjoyed and and agreed with every word of that, aggressor 
Posted on 8/27/12 at 5:36 pm to tigerforever7
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What were yalls views on the SEC prior to becoming a member?
Didn't like y'all, but for the same reason I didn't like the Big Ten or anyone else, A&M is the only thing I loved.
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Was it an accepted idea that we were the no doubt best conference?
For about the last 6 years, no doubt. But before that it was a widely accepted fact that the Big 12 South was the best division in college football.
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If so why did y'all think we were so much better?
Money and resources... But other schools have those hand over fist as well. The recent trend being due to massive oversigning and cheating like with Cam.
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And would y'all get really into our games and watch them?
Only if it was a big game and didn't have a conference game relevant on my team to interfere. I can't recall ever watching Mississippi State playing football. Ever.
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btw: Welcome to the SEC. We have unreal inner rivalries but we always pull for each other in outa conference games, and we take pride in our teams
I'll pull for every SEC team against the Big 12, probably won't pull for LSU outside of that, and definitely won't pull for Arky.
Posted on 8/27/12 at 5:37 pm to jafo
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What were yalls views on the SEC prior to becoming a member?
hardest conference. Dirty recruiting. Most passionate fans.
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Was it an accepted idea that we were the no doubt best conference?
yes, although before Nebraska left I felt the Big12 was a pretty damn good conference.
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If so why did y'all think we were so much better?
the level of competition from top to bottom
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And would y'all get really into our games and watch them?
not really
Posted on 8/27/12 at 5:44 pm to WG_Dawg
What kind of factors?
And there it is! He finally admitted it (the inferiority complex) He doesn't feel like his school is good enough to attract top recruits if other teams are winning. Problem is that UGA has been attracting top talent and still haven't been winning.
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To me the only factor is if it will negatively affect my team or not. Vandy or Arkansas or MSU or Kentucky or hell even LSU winning a bowl game will rarely affect UGA because we don't recruit a ton of the same kids. However, we strongly recruit against UF, UA, AU, UT, and SC. If those schools do well and win a major bowl or even a national title, that can adversely affect UGA. That could be the difference in a kid going there or here. Look at UF. They've had a very strong run since 1990, but we could still say we had more national titles. From 06-08 we can't say that anymore. So should I have been pulling for them anyway, simply because we're in the same conference? There is money, prestige, and influence that comes with winning big, and I would prefer our rivals to not have that if we can't. It's a lot easier for a stud recruit to go elsewhere if the other school says "well we just won a major BCS bowl, while UGA [fill in the blank]". And you also mentioned rankings. Don't you think it's a big selling point for school X to say "well we finished ahead of UGA in the rankings, why would you go there?" If you don't get all that, I can't help you. My one, sole, only interest is in UGA. If other teams around us, specifically our rivals, do very well, that hurts UGA and makes them stronger. It's simple. So no, I don't pull for most SEC teams in bowl games. I don't give a frick about the SEC, I care about MY school.
And there it is! He finally admitted it (the inferiority complex) He doesn't feel like his school is good enough to attract top recruits if other teams are winning. Problem is that UGA has been attracting top talent and still haven't been winning.
This post was edited on 8/27/12 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 8/27/12 at 5:52 pm to Number1Gump
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He finally admitted it (the inferiority complex)
I don't have an inferiority complex..if we were in Bama's current situation I'd feel the exact same way. Our rivals doing well does NOTHING to positively help UGA, it's pretty simple really. Whether we go 0-12 or 12-0, I want the teams we recruit against to do poorly.
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He doesn't feel like his school is good enough to attract top recruits if other teams are winning.
That's not just my school genius, that's any school. I don't care if you're USC, Oklahoma, Texas, UF, LSU, whatever...if you're doing ok or even pretty good and others around you are doing very well to great, it's gonna negatively affect you. It's common sense.
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Problem is that UGA has been attracting top talent and still haven't been winning.
We've been getting top 10 classes but no top 2 classes. Don't ya think if we had 1 or 2 more elite players per class we'd have been better on the field? And that all ties in to my original point..our rivals not succeeding would be more likely to sway a top 10 type player to us as opposed to having no chance with them.
Posted on 8/27/12 at 5:59 pm to WG_Dawg
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The reasons still stand. Any time a major rival gets another loss it diminishes their season a bit. I just don't see one, not even one, single reason why I should want auburn, bama, or tennessee to win their OOC games this weekend.
WG_Dawg...How about the higher they are ranked the better you look if you beat them or if you beat a team that has beat them. It's really not rocket science. If LSU wasn't ranked #1 last year when they beat Bama do you think Bama would have had the respect to still be in contention for the NC at the end of the year? NO!! Because Bama had beat Arky who was #3 at one point and several other highly ranked SEC teams our games played carried a little more weight perception-wise. I really don't know why it's so difficult to understand. People like you are so near sighted that you don't see the big picture. When we go to the playoff system using the top 4 teams in 2014, you'll want all of your foes to be ranked as high as possible when you play them.
Posted on 8/27/12 at 6:03 pm to WG_Dawg
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Why?
Because of the countless douchey OSU fans I know. They can take their hair gel, pale skin, and oversized sweatshirts and play Michigan on an island somewhere far, far away.
Posted on 8/27/12 at 6:05 pm to WG_Dawg
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I don't have an inferiority complex..if we were in Bama's current situation I'd feel the exact same way. Our rivals doing well does NOTHING to positively help UGA, it's pretty simple really. Whether we go 0-12 or 12-0, I want the teams we recruit against to do poorly.
If you had beaten LSU in the SECCG what would it matter if that had lost to every other non-conference team they played? You just de-valued your win. You can't see that?
Posted on 8/27/12 at 6:05 pm to WG_Dawg
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That's not just my school genius, that's any school. I don't care if you're USC, Oklahoma, Texas, UF, LSU, whatever...if you're doing ok or even pretty good and others around you are doing very well to great, it's gonna negatively affect you. It's common sense.
Ever consider that it's your school that has the problem, not the competition?
just curious.
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