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re: Question about Freeze and those coaches that wear their faith so openly
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:00 am to UAtide11
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:00 am to UAtide11
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It's awfully convenient how he will step in and prevent people from trying to become gods, supposedly a sin of man. But won't to save starving children, again a sin of man.
Not really. One is an attempt to become something...the other is result of mans actions. Non Christians have a hard time understanding why God doesn't make every bad thing go away...yet we fiercely fight for autonomy. God gave us Free Will...meaning we make our own decisions. When we make our own decisions we also have to face the consequences of those decisions. Do you want God controlling every aspect of your life?
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:04 am to DawgsLife
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Not really. One is an attempt to become something...the other is result of mans actions
So one example is him stopping humans from elevating themselves. and the other is an example of him not intervening for the sake of 'man's will' (mind you, our will was to become gods ourselves).
So in these two examples alone, he is putting a ceiling on our upward potential and not putting a floor on the downside. Why does your god want to keep us down so badly?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:06 am to AshLSU
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What about the millions of humans who were not living in the genaral area where Jesus supposedly lived? There were people in what we call north, south, and Central America, Africa, Australia, etc that had no possible way of knowing Jesus for hundreds of years after his supposed death. You telling me all these people went to hell just because of the geographical location of their birth? That does make god out to be a complete a-hole.
Legitimate point. except there is something called "Age of Accountability". It is not a set age, but the time in your life in which you know right and wrong. If you never hear of God and His love, or the sacrifice that Jesus made on the cross, then you do not reach that full understanding of what it is to be a Christian. You do not reach that "Age of Accountability".
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Then are Christians not actually doing more harm by telling people about Jesus? I mean, if they don't know about Jesus, but can get into heaven anyway. Isn't that better than if they know about Jesus and then MUST ACCEPT HIM AS TGEIR SAVIOR" to get into heaven. Seems like knowing about Jesus just forces people to have to take one more step that would ultimately be unnecessary.
I'm confused. Are you actually arguing that nobody should talk about God so that others can remain ignorant of His existence so that they can die and go to heaven to live with God?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:08 am to DawgsLife
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No. because they were trying to make themselves gods.
So then it's possible for humans to become god. Otherwise them "attempting" to become gods would have just failed and they would have gone on to other projects.
Exodus 34:14 I believe it is actually says "god is a jealous god".
So an all powerful all knowing being is jealous? Of what? He's supposedly all powerful. He has no equal to be jealous of. Anything anyone can do he literally should be able to do better.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:10 am to AshLSU
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You always hear people claim the put their life in gods hands but these same people buckle their seatbelts when they get in a car or take medication when they are sick.
This reasoning makes no sense. The Bible states that one is to manage the resources well that God has provided. Seat belts and medication are examples of resources He has provided. God doesn't reward irresponsible behavior. Playing in traffic will likely get you killed. Or playing with snakes like religious fundamentalists do and depending on divine intervention to save you often doesn't work out well.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:11 am to DawgsLife
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Not really. One is an attempt to become something...the other is result of mans actions. Non Christians have a hard time understanding why God doesn't make every bad thing go away...yet we fiercely fight for autonomy. God gave us Free Will...meaning we make our own decisions. When we make our own decisions we also have to face the consequences of those decisions. Do you want God controlling every aspect of your life?
So he won't do anything about bad things happening but opposes the unity of men as an organized functioning autonomy. Interesting... sounds like he enjoys chaos.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:15 am to DawgsLife
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I'm confused. Are you actually arguing that nobody should talk about God so that others can remain ignorant of His existence so that they can die and go to heaven to live with God?
That exactly what I'm saying. If the ultimate goal of life is to get into heaven and that can be achieved through ignorance of god but can't be once you learn about god without accepting him, is it not better to let people be ignorant of god and therefore all people get into Heaven rather that risking the fact that regardless of how much you preach, some people are never going to believe in something they can't see.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:16 am to AshLSU
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So then it's possible for humans to become god. Otherwise them "attempting" to become gods would have just failed and they would have gone on to other projects.
We try to make things gods all the time. People make football their god. Money. Jobs, a lot of stuff. they are not God, though. We cannot become God, but we can make things gods.
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Exodus 34:14 I believe it is actually says "god is a jealous god".
Yes. Like I said. "Thou shall have no other gods before me."
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So an all powerful all knowing being is jealous? Of what? He's supposedly all powerful. He has no equal to be jealous of. Anything anyone can do he literally should be able to do better.
You are correct. there are no equals. however, we, as humans, put things before God all the time. Money, fishing, golf, football, sex...you can go down a lengthy list of things man sometimes puts before God.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:18 am to AshLSU
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So he won't do anything about bad things happening but opposes the unity of men as an organized functioning autonomy.
Man is an autonomy. And, man was working together in that one instance. It would not have lasted. How do I know? When in the history of mankind has man ever worked together for an extended length of time?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:19 am to DawgsLife
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No. I am saying that if you are foolish enough to put a gun to your head, then you should not expect God to keep you safe. When Jesus was being tempted in the wilderness by satan, satan told him to jump from a high point of the temple, because God would send His angels to keep Him from harmm. jesus responded that "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord your God."
How do you know it's not "gods will" for you to put that loaded gun to your head? Doesn't god "work in mysterious ways"?
You really can't have it both ways. You can't say that children die from cancer every day and that be "gods will" but then say that a person killing themselves could not also be "gods will". You simply don't know that in either case.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:21 am to AshLSU
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That exactly what I'm saying. If the ultimate goal of life is to get into heaven and that can be achieved through ignorance of god but can't be once you learn about god without accepting him, is it not better to let people be ignorant of god and therefore all people get into Heaven rather that risking the fact that regardless of how much you preach, some people are never going to believe in something they can't see.
Dude. that went out the window when Jesus died on the cross for our sins. that was a pretty public display, don't you think. It would be impossible for man to have not seen/heard or know about it. He had followers. I would venture to say that very few if any people in this country has not heard something about God/Jesus.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:23 am to AshLSU
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How do you know it's not "gods will" for you to put that loaded gun to your head?
Because that is not in God's character. It is contrary to what God's character is.
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You really can't have it both ways. You can't say that children die from cancer every day and that be "gods will"
I never siad it was God's will that children die of cancer. is aid man brought sin, sickness and death in the world through his (mans) choice.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:24 am to DawgsLife
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I don't understand everything. I don't claim to. but I will tell you this...I have had friends that had cancer, and then the cancer disappeared. The doctors said that there was no logical explanation for it. But, God is not a vending machine. We can't dial Him up, drop a quarter in Him and get what we want. There will be times when prayers might be answered exactly as we want them to be, but we can't expect it to happen every time.
That is just the nature of cancer and the human body. Sometimes cancer just goes into remission on its own. It is living tissue after all. Sometimes the human body can heal itself but one thing the human body can't do is regrow lost limbs. Thus the reason it's never miraculously happened. It's not beyond biological possibility that cancer can be cured by the human body. It is beyond biological possibility that the human body can regrow an arm.
The point is, god didn't cure your friends. Their own body did.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:26 am to DawgsLife
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Dude. that went out the window when Jesus died on the cross for our sins. that was a pretty public display, don't you think. It would be impossible for man to have not seen/heard or know about it. He had followers. I would venture to say that very few if any people in this country has not heard something about God/Jesus.
Why inform people though? If the can remain ignorant and be saved, isn't informing them just giving them opportunity to be damned?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:28 am to AshLSU
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The point is, god didn't cure your friends. Their own body did.
It's amazing how much god used to do compared to what he does now. It's almost like once we figured out how something works, suddenly god isn't directly responsible for it anymore.
It's almost as if, it's an entity used to explain the things humanity couldn't/can't explain at the time.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:29 am to DawgsLife
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Maybe because there have been an awful lot of "facts" that have been proven to be false over the years. You also should keep in mind that faith is not about facts. Faith is believing in something when all logic says otherwise. For me it would be sad and life would seem hopeless not to have faith.
Yes, but this is where science differs from religion. Science will adapt to newly discovered information. Religion never changes regardless of new information.
For instance. What if tomorrow, an advanced alien race came to earth that was far older than humans. It would cause scientist to go back to the drawing boards and rethink everything. Religions however would not rewrite their doctrines.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:31 am to samson73103
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This reasoning makes no sense. The Bible states that one is to manage the resources well that God has provided. Seat belts and medication are examples of resources He has provided. God doesn't reward irresponsible behavior. Playing in traffic will likely get you killed. Or playing with snakes like religious fundamentalists do and depending on divine intervention to save you often doesn't work out well.
Then god doesn't control when you live or die and to say that when a child dies of cancer it is "gods will" is faulty.
You are missing the point.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:32 am to AshLSU
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Religion never changes regardless of new information.
Well that certainly isn't true, you could make that argument for certain religions but certainly not all.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:34 am to DawgsLife
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Man is an autonomy. And, man was working together in that one instance. It would not have lasted. How do I know? When in the history of mankind has man ever worked together for an extended length of time?
Just because it's never happened doesn't mean it can't happen. Throw thread and a needle into a tornado enough times and it will eventually put the thread through the eye of the needle.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:37 am to DawgsLife
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Dude. that went out the window when Jesus died on the cross for our sins. that was a pretty public display, don't you think. It would be impossible for man to have not seen/heard or know about it. He had followers. I would venture to say that very few if any people in this country has not heard something about God/Jesus.
So you believe people back then had Email, Twitter, and Facebook? People where not traveling the earth as they are today. Tribes in the continent of America did not hear of any form of Christianity for over a thousand years after the death of Jesus.
And since you brought it up. There is no records other than the Bible to support the existence of Jesus. The romans (who supposedly feared him) didn't write a single thing about him.
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