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Posted on 1/27/12 at 3:14 pm to Bellabama
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The attorney is saying that in the grand scheme of things, the long term impact of a sexual battery or lewd act without penetration is far less emotionally or physically harmful,
No, he's saying that because the victim was unconscious he was NOT HARMED.
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and that the punishment should reflect that.
No, he's saying that the DA should not even prosecute the case. In other words, there should be NO punishment.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 3:17 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Press Release from The Teabagger's Attorneys
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Nuts4LSU
Posted on 1/27/12 at 3:19 pm to Nuts4LSU
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No, he's saying that the DA should not even prosecute the case. In other words, there should be NO punishment.
Do you understand that lawyers who work for people who are charged with crimes try to keep their clients out of jail?
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No, he's saying that because the victim was unconscious he was NOT HARMED.
PHYSICALLY HARMED. HE SAID HE WAS NOT PHYSICALLY HARMED. HE HAS MADE NO MENTION OF MENTAL HARM.
ETA: I take this back. He acknowledges there may have been mental harm, but that it took place AFTER the incident, and it was magnified by the media.
This post was edited on 1/27/12 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 1/27/12 at 3:19 pm to Nuts4LSU
quote:Which is true in this case.
No, he's saying that because the victim was unconscious he was NOT HARMED.
quote:No he isn't. He is saying that charging him with sexual battery, as opposed to simple battery, is a ridiculous waste of time, unjust and, by lumping them together, demeans the victims of actual sexual battery.
No, he's saying that the DA should not even prosecute the case. In other words, there should be NO punishment.
This post was edited on 1/27/12 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 1/27/12 at 3:19 pm to AUnite
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AUnite
I can read press clippings, thanks. If you have video I'll edit my post.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 3:23 pm to lsufanz
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I can read press clippings, thanks. If you have video I'll edit my post.
So if there is no video, it didn't happen? Way to minimize a victim's experience.
We have no video evidence of any harm done to the victim of the teabagging. So in that event, I assume none happened.
See how that works?
And before you reply, keep in mind that people plead guilty to a crime.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 3:23 pm to WDE24
So are you saying I can go find drunk passed out girls at bars and put my dick or balls on their face as long as i dont put it in their mouth?
My weekends just got a lot better
My weekends just got a lot better
Posted on 1/27/12 at 3:23 pm to chilld28
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Press Release from The Teabagger's Attorneys
quote:Nuts4LSU
Sorry, but that is pretty damned funny.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 3:24 pm to lsufanz
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lsufanz
WHY would I have a video with statutory rape in it? Sorry brah, but I don't possess child pornography.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 3:25 pm to Indfanfromcol
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So are you saying I can go find drunk passed out girls at bars and put my dick or balls on their face as long as i dont put it in their mouth?
My weekends just got a lot better
He's not saying that. Try again.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 3:26 pm to Bellabama
If they aren't harmed then whats the problem
Posted on 1/27/12 at 3:27 pm to Indfanfromcol
quote:Read the thread and you will see what I am saying. But quit being a complete moron and trying to set up strawmen. No one with a brain is buying your bullshite.
So are you saying I can go find drunk passed out girls at bars and put my dick or balls on their face as long as i dont put it in their mouth?
Posted on 1/27/12 at 3:29 pm to Indfanfromcol
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If they aren't harmed then whats the problem
Well you are assuming all harm is created equally. There are varying degrees of punishment. Is that lost on you? And that people are entitled to a defense? Is that lost on you?
If you are driving drunk, and you are pulled over, do you automatically say you've been drinking or say you should go to jail for a DUI?
Do you try to get out of it? Do you blame people who do?
Did you blame Mettenberger or Hill for pleading down, even though there were witnesses?
Do you think that crimes against women are less important than crimes against men?
Posted on 1/27/12 at 3:30 pm to Bellabama
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So if there is no video, it didn't happen? Way to minimize a victim's experience
Are you really so dense that you don't understand the difference between clear video evidence and verbal testimony? There was a comparison made between the two cases as though the LSY fan base condones Hill's actions. I stand by my post that neither I, you, nor the person to whom I responded knows exactly what happened in that case and in that respect, there is not comparison. At no time and in no way did I excuse whatever it is that Hill pled to.
And before you reply, know the context of the post.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 3:32 pm to AUnite
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WHY would I have a video with statutory rape in it? Sorry brah, but I don't possess child pornography
Cute, if you're going to compare the two as though you know exactly what occurred, you'd need video evidence of both, unless you were there.
This post was edited on 1/27/12 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 1/27/12 at 3:33 pm to lsufanz
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Are you really so dense that you don't understand the difference between clear video evidence and verbal testimony?
I think you are dense. So no.
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And before you reply, know the context of the post.
Before you lecture, realize that people understand what you are saying, but because you don't see what they are saying doesn't make them the dense ones. Each time you have paraphrased someone's argument, you've done so incorrectly and missed the point.
I suggest you evaluate this before you accuse others of being dense.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 3:35 pm to lsufanz
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Cute, if you're going to compare the two as though you know exactly what occurred, you'd need video evidence of both, unless you were there.
So from now on, all crimes that have video evidence are held to a higher standard of penalty than those that aren't? Because someone has video evidence of a crime, there is more reason for him to go to jail?
Posted on 1/27/12 at 3:36 pm to Indfanfromcol
quote:Let me explain the problem:
If they aren't harmed then whats the problem
Simple Battery = misdemeanor punishable up to 1 year in jail.
Sexual Battery = felony punishable up to 10 years in jail.
Sexual Battery of an unconscious victim = felony with minimum sentence of 25 years in jail
This incident clearly does not reflect the behavior designed to be punished by those laws, but it could technically be prosecuted as such.
The victim not suffering physical harm, simply differentiates it from more significant and actual sexual batteries. Doesn't mean it is acceptable behavior, just not behavior that should be punished or prosecuted in the same vein as more significant and actual sexual assaults.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 3:37 pm to WDE24
Why would i go back and read what everyone else is saying? From the sounds of WHAT your saying, the guy wasnt harmed, guessing because he was passed out and you think it was more of a joke since it was guy on guy and the teabagger wasn't gay?
Sorry, but the attorneys statement to me was stupid. Yes, there are people being murdered in nolas streets all the time, but that doesnt mean we forget all other crimes for those. Yes, the kid was drunk off his arse, but sorry, you can't mess with someone you don't know who is unconscious like that. The dumbass heard people say this is going on youtube, most likely saw a guy with a camera, and decided to teabag the guy. Dumb decisions have dumb consequences.
Fwiw, i dont think this guy should have to go to jail at all. Just pay the kid noney and everyone move on. But the law is the law.
Sorry, but the attorneys statement to me was stupid. Yes, there are people being murdered in nolas streets all the time, but that doesnt mean we forget all other crimes for those. Yes, the kid was drunk off his arse, but sorry, you can't mess with someone you don't know who is unconscious like that. The dumbass heard people say this is going on youtube, most likely saw a guy with a camera, and decided to teabag the guy. Dumb decisions have dumb consequences.
Fwiw, i dont think this guy should have to go to jail at all. Just pay the kid noney and everyone move on. But the law is the law.
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