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re: Post here if UCF is your champion?
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:08 am to thelawnwranglers
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:08 am to thelawnwranglers
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UCF is your champion
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:13 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Agreed. UCF schedules two P5 teams OOC every single year. The committee just told them and everyone else, that no matter what they do, they're not getting in.
That isn't easy by the way- best case scenario you get neutral field or play 2 at their place for one at yours.
First Team Radio McElroy used TCU as an example of making P5, but those were unique scneario. Conference was imploding, and TCU has a huge TV market.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:18 am to thelawnwranglers
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no group of 5 is going to pass an eyeball test and get into final 4 regardless of what they do.
Well, I disagree that it's impossible. It's just a matter of winning one or two tougher non-conference games that grab the committee's attention (would also help if another G5 team or two in your conference that is also strong that year...think Utah, BYU, and TCU all being in the MWC in 2008). It was a lot more difficult in the BCS era because there were only two spots. With four spots, theoretically it should be more fair. Just my opinion, but I believe that 2010 TCU (Mountain West at the time) would've been included in the playoffs had it existed at the time. But maybe they wouldn't. Who knows.
Of course, just because a school schedules a good team now doesn't mean that they will be a good team when they play. So it requires some modicum of luck on their part.
So all that being said, I agree that it's not truly fair when P5 conference champs automatically get the benefit of the doubt. Because even if everything I said above came true for a G5 team in a given year, they'd still have to hope that most of the P5 champs have 1 or 2 losses. That's a big flaw in the system.
This post was edited on 1/5/18 at 9:21 am
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:21 am to thelawnwranglers
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:21 am to Rocco4
Looks like we can't beat anyone but Auburn! 
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:22 am to thelawnwranglers
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:27 am to UGATiger26
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With four spots, theoretically it should be more fair. Just my opinion, but I believe that 2010 TCU (Mountain West at the time) would've been included in the playoffs had it existed at the time. But maybe they wouldn't. Who knows.
I'd say they wouldn't. It's easy to have them in the top four when the difference between 3-6 is relatively meaningless. Similar to 5-8 now. I don't see a single season where the committee couldn't have found four teams from the P5 conference to slide into those four spots, ahead of any G5 teams.
2008 is easy. There are probably 8-10 teams in there that the committee could cherry-pick for those four spots, ahead of Utah, TCU, and Boise State. Funny enough, that might include Alabama.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:28 am to thelawnwranglers
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That isn't easy by the way- best case scenario you get neutral field or play 2 at their place for one at yours.
Yeah, and most likely you get turned down so Alabama can go play Mercer instead.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:33 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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It's easy to have them in the top four when the difference between 3-6 is relatively meaningless
True.
But I still disagree that it's impossible. Just a matter of the planets aligning enough.
Of course, to borrow from Orwell "All teams need the planets to align, but some teams need the planets to align more than others."
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:33 am to thelawnwranglers
If a G5 team wants a chance to make the CFP final 4 they should schedule 3 games against good (typically ranked) P5 teams. Otherwise go sit down at the kids table and stfu.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:34 am to TidalSurge1
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3 games
That's convenient.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:35 am to UGATiger26
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But I still disagree that it's impossible. Just a matter of the planets aligning enough.
With the committee, all things are possible.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:54 am to DisplacedBuckeye
With the committee, all things are possible.
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Including making the right decisions, which they did this year.
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Including making the right decisions, which they did this year.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:03 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
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Including making the right decisions, which they did this year.
We know what the committee thought were the "right" decisions, but technically we'll never know what the "right" decisions should've been. We just have opinions like the committee.
In my opinion - solely based on the existing system we have in place - I think the committee made the best possible choices at the time they made them (at least in regards to OU, Clemson, and UGA). But regardless, the system is indeed stacked in favor of the P5 teams.
This post was edited on 1/5/18 at 10:05 am
Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:06 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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12 games minus 9 G5 conf games = 3 games.
That's why I said:
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If a G5 team wants a chance to make the CFP final 4 they should schedule 3 games against good (typically ranked) P5 teams. Otherwise go sit down at the kids table and stfu.
Undefeated vs G5 conf. teams, Austin Peay, FIU and Maryland is NOT worthy of a CFP final four ranking. All of the teams ranked ahead of UCF would very likely go undefeated vs that schedule.
UCF'S rankings: CFP #12, AP #10 Coaches #10. UCF wouldn't even have made the cut in an 8-team playoff without some sort of automatic qualifier such as highest ranked G5 team.
Their transitive property-based "claim" is laughable at best.
Go ahead and continue with your butthurt trolling, tho.
This post was edited on 1/5/18 at 11:04 am
Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:12 am to TidalSurge1
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If a G5 team wants a chance to make the CFP final 4 they should schedule 3 games against good (typically ranked) P5 teams. Otherwise go sit down at the kids table and stfu.
Most only play 8 conference games. UCF's OOC schedule was FIU, Austin Peay, Maryland, and GA Tech. They only have themselves to blame. At least Auburn's 2004 schedule shortcoming[Citadel] was one game that was hastily schedule in the summer before the season began.
This post was edited on 1/5/18 at 10:13 am
Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:13 am to craigbiggio
Auburn beat Georgia.
Auburn beat Alabama.
UCF beat Auburn.
UCF's claim is legit. Whoever wins Monday's game will get an asterisk with their "title."...
Auburn beat Alabama.
UCF beat Auburn.
UCF's claim is legit. Whoever wins Monday's game will get an asterisk with their "title."...
Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:18 am to arkiebrian
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UCF's claim is legit. Whoever wins Monday's game will get an asterisk with their "title."...
No it isn't and No there won't. People won't even remember UCF in 2 years.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:44 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
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Including making the right decisions, which they did this year.
Link that.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:46 am to TidalSurge1
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12 games minus 9 G5 conf games = 3 games.
54 and 70 are close enough that an undefeated record and championships won on the field outweigh those subjective rankings.
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All of the teams ranked ahead of UCF would very likely go undefeated vs that schedule.
Cool story, but they didn't.
Bama definitely couldn't if we include the postseason.
Bottom line...championships:
UCF - 4
Bama - 1
Congrats on that sweet Sugar Bowl championship, though.
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