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Posted on 7/28/21 at 2:46 pm
Posted by AustinAggie
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 2:46 pm
Assuming the realignment is a done deal, do you think what the SECN put out is an accurate depiction of how things will work in the coming seasons?



I don’t know how to feel about this set up tbh. It doesn’t seem to include permanent rivalry matchups from other pods, which I imagine would bother a lot of you. TAMU & LSU seem to be the most impacted by this change depending how things end up going down.

For example if Texas is coming, A&M should play them every year, it would be asinine to do otherwise. I’d honestly be fine with an OU, TX, Arkansas, A&M pod … it makes for great television … but I also enjoy the LSU game immensely and wouldn’t like for that to go away if possible (I know many LSU posters don’t care). Playing the two Mississippi schools every year is totally fine with me but probably not if it costs us a yearly showdown with Texas.

It seems like they are assuming the SEC will try and make the pods balanced with two big brand, big money, generally successful teams each, but teams regress all the time and the power dynamics within each pod wouldn’t last forever.

How do LSU fans in particular feel about this potential setup? I know y’all enjoy the yearly Bama, UF, and Auburn games way more than the others on your schedule, including us. With these proposed pods … literally every major yearly game y’all care about would go away.

What the frick are they gonna end up doing?What do y’all want to see?

This issue bothers me far more than OU / TX joining the conference. I want to play all of y’all. :(
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 2:48 pm to
Tldr

Quit worrying over something that hasnt taken hold
Posted by hoojy
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 2:48 pm to
Should just be 3 perm games and 6 rotating.
Posted by bigtiger440
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 2:59 pm to
To me it looks like Auburn, Florida and Georgia get screwed in that deal. LSU is going to be on easy street.
Posted by AustinAggie
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 3:01 pm to
Yes, they’ll benefit from an easier schedule, but I thought LSU had more balls and passion than to so easily give up their favorite matchups. Especially considering with a 12 team playoff LSU will be in a good position to make it fairly often regardless of who they play.
Posted by hoojy
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 3:02 pm to
How could it be better? Personally I like the idea of playing every team at least once every 2 years.

Posted by FreddieMac
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 3:03 pm to
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Yes, they’ll benefit from an easier schedule, but I thought LSU had more balls and passion than to so easily give up their favorite matchups.


Just following the Bama example from the last 15 years. Tenn is a real rival for us, let make that happen. Vandy insulted us the last time by running out of beer.
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 3:04 pm
Posted by TrlAg
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 3:03 pm to
Pod C likes to party
Posted by JKChesterton
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 3:05 pm to
quote:

I don’t know how to feel about this set up tbh. It doesn’t seem to include permanent rivalry matchups from other pods, which I imagine would bother a lot of you. TAMU & LSU seem to be the most impacted by this change depending how things end up going down.

For example if Texas is coming, A&M should play them every year, it would be asinine to do otherwise. I’d honestly be fine with an OU, TX, Arkansas, A&M pod … it makes for great television … but I also enjoy the LSU game immensely and wouldn’t like for that to go away if possible (I know many LSU posters don’t care). Playing the two Mississippi schools every year is totally fine with me but probably not if it costs us a yearly showdown with Texas.

It seems like they are assuming the SEC will try and make the pods balanced with two big brand, big money, generally successful teams each, but teams regress all the time and the power dynamics within each pod wouldn’t last forever.

How do LSU fans in particular feel about this potential setup? I know y’all enjoy the yearly Bama, UF, and Auburn games way more than the others on your schedule, including us. With these proposed pods … literally every major yearly game y’all care about would go away.

What the frick are they gonna end up doing?What do y’all want to see?

This issue bothers me far more than OU / TX joining the conference. I want to play all of y’all. :(


There is not a problem with LSU's POD per se. Ole Miss and MSU are the teams that LSU has played the most and LSU and Texas A&M has the feel of a rivalry whereby most fans that follow both schools feel the same way.

The problem with this POD System as it stands, and I Will repeat as someone North of 50 who has followed the SEC and College ball a long time.

4 Historic Non-negotiable SEC games in no particular order are

1)Auburn/UGA
2)Bama/Auburn
3)Florida/UGA
4)Bama/TENN

2 New games in new 16 team SEC league that are non-negotiable:

5) Texas/OU
6)T Texas/Texas A&M

2 other in-state SEC games that should be played

7) Ole Miss and MSU (a rival game)
8) TENN/Vandy

The POD system as set up by SEC Network does not allow for Auburn/UGA and Texas/Texas A&M if you do the schedule rotation they suggest 3 POD +2 from each other POD = 9 games.

So you could go to a 3 POD + 1 Permanent Cross over for 4 annual games and rotate the other 11 teams. So 1, 2, 3, ......11

Year 1 LSU for example would play All POD C plus Florida (which is I think for both teams a rival type game) and then teams 1 through 5 in years 1 and 2, then teams 6 to 10 in years 3 and 4, and then 11 and 1 to 4 in years 5 and 6.

Kind of messy but would work.


Personally, I would rather everyone play 3 permanent opponents, taking into account the 8 rival games that I have mandated above, and rotate 6 teams in years 1 and 2 and the next 6 in years 3 and 4.

Obviously, LSU does not have any of those required 8 rival games. So LSU, using the protecting what are the most historic rivals would probably look similar to the SEC Network proposes.

LSU's 3 permanents would be 1) Texas A&M, lots of history between 2 schools before the Aggies came into the league, I think Texas A&M sees LSU has their next rival after Texas, lots of LSU fans, particularly those who watched LSU and Texas A&M back in the 1970's, as I did, and even before as my Father and Uncles did, see that as a rival type game.

LSU/Ole Miss, same thing, many older LSU fans see that game as a Rival type game and large segments of Ole Miss fans see LSU as a rival game along with MSU. Ole Miss is also a team, along with MSU that we have the most history with.

The 3rd LSU permanent would be negotiable. LSU and MSU, who are in the POD C per SEC Network and have played more than any SEC team (Ole Miss a close 2nd) can be justified. However, I think the Florida game is the closest game that both fan bases view each other as a Rival. Clearly for Florida, UGA is their #1 rival but for many UF fans, I think LSU is 2nd.

Lots of LSU fans view Florida as the game that is a "rival type game"

So I think LSU could propose to Sankey these 3 games 1)Texas A&M, Ole Miss, and 3) Florida if the goal is to expand and get to 9 games where everyone plays each other twice in 4 years, but still stressing non-negotiable rival games and games that have long standing history.

Now this is just 1 LSU's fans view.

Posted by TrNabs
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Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 3:06 pm to
aggies will be in the same pod as OU, Texas, and Arkansas. You won't be able to avoid us anymore aggie.
Posted by AustinAggie
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 3:09 pm to
If you actually took the time to read what I posted you’d see I’m not trying to avoid you, moron. It’s okay, I know you went to UNT, reading is simply not your forte.
Posted by Sooner5030
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 3:11 pm to
3 perms + 6 rotation > pods
Posted by AustinAggie
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 3:14 pm to
This seems to be the favored alternative. Still allows for playing everyone home and away every four years which is key.

I suppose I’d want Texas, LSU, and Arkansas as A&M’s permanent opponents.
Posted by lsutiger2
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 3:21 pm to
I wonder if its up to Aggie on if they are in Texas's pod or not? Pods A and B seem to be a lock and make a ton of sense. The only real question in my mind is if Arky or Texas A&M is the LSU Mississippi pod. Dont think you could go wrong either way. Feeling like Bama is going to push to have A&M in our pod for perceived easier pod than everybody else if they are not.
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 3:36 pm to
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Pods & Scheduling
I wonder if its up to Aggie on if they are in Texas's pod or not? Pods A and B seem to be a lock and make a ton of sense. The only real question in my mind is if Arky or Texas A&M is the LSU Mississippi pod. Dont think you could go wrong either way. Feeling like Bama is going to push to have A&M in our pod for perceived easier pod than everybody else if they are not.


LSU should play Texas A&M, you can accomplish the same thing that PODS that the SEC Network proposed without those PODS. Go to 3 Permanent Opponents and 6 rotation. You protect those 8 games that I noted above and you get the same rotation through the other 12 teams.

Texas A&M gets LSU/Texas/Arkansas
Texas gets Texas A&M/OU/Arkansas
Arkansas can get Texas/Texas A&M and say Ole Miss, etc.

Not hard and accomplishes the same objectives that the SEC Proposed Network PODS A, B, C and D does but maintains those 6 non-negotiable and 2 other in-state rival games.


Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 3:44 pm to
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How could it be better? Personally I like the idea of playing every team at least once every 2 years.



No thanks. Preserve rivalries and do 8 team divisions
Posted by hoojy
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 3:45 pm to
3 perms will preserve rivalries. No good adding more teams if you only play them once every 10 years.
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 3:47 pm to
That breaks up Auburn and Georgia playing every year, thus it will not work.

People get paid to produce this junk?
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 3:51 pm to
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Pods & Scheduling
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How could it be better? Personally I like the idea of playing every team at least once every 2 years.


No thanks. Preserve rivalries and do 8 team divisions



Because there was already concerns regarding the current 6+1 Permanent + 1 rotation. Andy Staples in Finebaum yesterday said that Guz Malzan in talking about the SEC scheduling format resulted in him being in the league for 13 years and only playing Florida at Gainesville once.

LSU is going to Lexington, KY this year for the first time since 2007.

I think the 8 team divisions and 7-2 rotation format is more likely than the 4 PODS that the SEC network proposed, which as I noted is a non-starter.
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 3:53 pm to
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Pods & Scheduling
To me it looks like Auburn, Florida and Georgia get screwed in that deal. LSU is going to be on easy street.


LSU fan here and not a fan of the SEC Network PODS either for LSU or for Auburn/UGA and Texas/Texas A&M.

I already posted a 3 permanent and 6 rotation that keeps all the 6 non-negotiable games and 2 rival games and allows everyone to play everyone twice (home and home) over 4 years.

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