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re: Pivotal Season for CF ?
Posted on 8/16/19 at 12:31 pm to Irons Puppet
Posted on 8/16/19 at 12:31 pm to Irons Puppet
I thought you were going to say that it is pivotal to see if this is the first year that neither Alabama nor Clemson makes the Championship since 2014-2015.
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Posted on 8/16/19 at 12:34 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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I thought you were going to say that it is pivotal to see if this is the first year that neither Alabama nor Clemson makes the Championship since 2014-2015.
Not with Bama's schedule and the presses "eye test", along with Clemson playing in the ACC. The other two slots have to be fought over between the Big 10, Big 12, Pac 12 and the SECC (if not Bama).
Posted on 8/16/19 at 12:42 pm to TailbackU
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College football (and football in general) is dying. And it will reach a tipping point soon. The infusion cash from TV deals falsely bouyed the sport, but the long term future is not bright.
You hear this a lot lately, but I think it’s overblown.
Yes, football participation rates are down, but as long as there are inner city kids who see football as a way out, there will be elite athletes playing the sport.
Attendance and viewership are in decent shape:
The BCS bowl games in 2002 got 13-21 million viewers. The 2019 playoffs got 16-25 million viewers.
The 669 NCAA football programs (FBS, FCS, DII, DIII) drew 46,984,720 fans at home, neutral-site and postseason games in 2018, according to the annual NCAA report. The number represents a 1.3 percent drop from the 2017 season, but it also represents a 25 percent increase from 1998 season.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 12:49 pm to Irons Puppet
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Is this a pivotal year for CF from a 4 team playoff system standpoint
nah
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is there Bama, Clemson and the SEC fatigue ?
probably but there's nothing to be done about it, if you made it to 8 teams you'd only guarantee the same teams would be in.
It's not a "clemson" or "alabama" issue, it's a "same team again" issue. If Michigan, Texas, Washington, and FSU were the same 4 teams in the playoffs or at least top 5 of the rankings every week every year for 5 years in a row people woudl be tired of seeing those teams too.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 1:01 pm to tylerdurden24
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Lets face it: the folks in charge of the sport (coaches, ADs, and school presidents) sold it to the TV conglomerates and now do whatever is asked of them to enhance profits. They abandoned what made it special and while it will continue to play every Saturday every Fall, it will never again be what it was.
I was a freshman at LSU in 1983. LSU beat Washington in Tiger Stadium that year. Here is a quote from an article about the game:
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One major network wanted to put this game on national TV, but LSU Athletic Director Bob Brodhead refused to change the game to an afternoon kickoff. He reasoned that Tiger fans would revolt or perhaps literally show up at sunrise to start tailgating.
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Can you imagine an AD doing that today?
Posted on 8/16/19 at 1:10 pm to Irons Puppet
As the ncaa football loving Baby Boomers pass in from us our numbers will dwindle with them. Gen X will try to hold it together but from Millennials on down ncaa football willl die out. It’ll be all soccer and basketball I’m afraid. I’ll be dead so I don’t mind.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 1:11 pm to bamagreycoat
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Millennials on down ncaa football willl die out.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 1:12 pm to tylerdurden24
This. The more play off games the less the regular season matters...and the worse attendance will get
Posted on 8/16/19 at 1:15 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Can you imagine an AD doing that today?
A previous AD for A&M wanted fewer games on TV because he, for some reason, thought games would be more likely to sell out with less exposure.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 1:38 pm to Gatorbait2008
No, the more playoff games allows all 5 Conference Champions to participate. Conference Champions are decided in December. These games become part of the playoff. It may be the only way to save the game.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 1:42 pm to Irons Puppet
The Georgia Alabama natty pretty much ensured an eventual 6 team playoff.
And that's where it needs to stop for good. Any more and you might as well do 16.
6 is good for diversity. I see what you're saying.
Playing a dangerous game though. The more you add, the less important everything else is.
And that's where it needs to stop for good. Any more and you might as well do 16.
6 is good for diversity. I see what you're saying.
Playing a dangerous game though. The more you add, the less important everything else is.
This post was edited on 8/16/19 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 8/16/19 at 1:45 pm to WG_Dawg
That wasn’t meant as any kind of insult or disrespect on Millennials WG. I’m just seeing the huge demographic shift and those folks pouring across the border aren’t hard corps ncaa football fans buddy. Soccer and basketball will rule.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 1:56 pm to VagueMessage
I actually like the 4 team playoff and don’t think it’s done too much damage to the sport. But it was inevitable that 2 SEC teams would get in and conferences would get shut out and the inability and unwillingness of coaches and ADs and Commissioners to see the big picture is going to force a needless expansion.
It’s really funny to see the same grown men who bitch about participation trophies and not transferring because it means you’re a quitter lose their shite and demand more playoff spots because their team couldn’t earn its way into a 4 team playoff that has featured more lopsided blowouts than close games.
Ultimately, there are 3 things that make college football special and they are the exact 3 things that have been sacrificed for the current state of affairs:
- Regionalism - Corporatization of the experience, be it neutral air games in non descript nfl stadiums or bland monetization of concessions and the in game experience
- Romanticism - college bands replaced with sound systems and LED field lights and a million Jersey combos and corporate tailgates and club suites
- tailgating - pay a huge fee to park and carry your generator and tv and sound system and grill to a designated part of campus a block or two away from the lot OR just pay a few thousand to the athletic association to do it all for you and clean it up afterward. You know, just like the good old days when you actually drank beer on the tailgate and listened to the pregame on the truck radio
It’s really funny to see the same grown men who bitch about participation trophies and not transferring because it means you’re a quitter lose their shite and demand more playoff spots because their team couldn’t earn its way into a 4 team playoff that has featured more lopsided blowouts than close games.
Ultimately, there are 3 things that make college football special and they are the exact 3 things that have been sacrificed for the current state of affairs:
- Regionalism - Corporatization of the experience, be it neutral air games in non descript nfl stadiums or bland monetization of concessions and the in game experience
- Romanticism - college bands replaced with sound systems and LED field lights and a million Jersey combos and corporate tailgates and club suites
- tailgating - pay a huge fee to park and carry your generator and tv and sound system and grill to a designated part of campus a block or two away from the lot OR just pay a few thousand to the athletic association to do it all for you and clean it up afterward. You know, just like the good old days when you actually drank beer on the tailgate and listened to the pregame on the truck radio
Posted on 8/16/19 at 2:10 pm to tylerdurden24
I don't mind the four team playoff. I think the actual top five teams any given year have a reasonable chance of winning the NC. I think it could be expanded to six or eight without sacrificing too much integrity. It's not like the NCAA tournament where we have to wait decades for a #16 seed to upset a #1 seed. The #6 or #8 team would likely beat the #1 team probably once a decade, if the system is set up to choose the proper teams. There are too many years like 2007, 2010, and 2013 where the #1 team is held together by a single special player, or when no one team at the top is extraordinarily dominant.
All of your points can be boiled down to corporate greed and a sort of gentrification of the sport that's pricing normal people out of the equation. Going to games has increasingly become a status social event, more than a way to watch some football and drink beer with your friends.
All of your points can be boiled down to corporate greed and a sort of gentrification of the sport that's pricing normal people out of the equation. Going to games has increasingly become a status social event, more than a way to watch some football and drink beer with your friends.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 2:13 pm to tylerdurden24
Eh the NFL is as popular as it has ever been. And while participation is dropping in some areas (mostly cities) there are areas of the country where soccer will never really matter. NCAA football is kinda in a weird spot but still very healthy
This post was edited on 8/16/19 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 8/16/19 at 2:47 pm to Irons Puppet
CF talent and dominant teams largely in the Southeast is rapidly sapping interest across the country. Consider this factoid: The United States comprise 3.7million sq miles ...Since 2014 the three teams to play for the NC (Clemson, UGA and Bama all reside within 300 miles of each other.
ETA: Add FSU and Auburn to the mix and the recent NC geography doesn’t change too much from a sq mileage perspective.
ETA: Add FSU and Auburn to the mix and the recent NC geography doesn’t change too much from a sq mileage perspective.
This post was edited on 8/16/19 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 8/16/19 at 2:56 pm to ClemsonRules
People forget how much interest there was in New Year’s day before the BCS.
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