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"Oversigning" situation at SC explained
Posted on 2/1/11 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 2/1/11 at 2:35 pm
in a nutshell...
We currently have 33 commits for the 2011 season. 4 have enrolled early. We also have Cedric Cooper and Lorenzo Mauldin have verbals, but have both shown signs of waivering. Taking the 4 EEs into account, we now have 29 counting against us this year. Cooper/Maulding can't really be accounted for yet either, so we'll say 27/28. Clowney would put us at 28/29, which would leave the possibility of ONE grayshirt at the most.
Just to clear up some questions I've seen on SECR today.
We currently have 33 commits for the 2011 season. 4 have enrolled early. We also have Cedric Cooper and Lorenzo Mauldin have verbals, but have both shown signs of waivering. Taking the 4 EEs into account, we now have 29 counting against us this year. Cooper/Maulding can't really be accounted for yet either, so we'll say 27/28. Clowney would put us at 28/29, which would leave the possibility of ONE grayshirt at the most.
Just to clear up some questions I've seen on SECR today.
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Posted on 2/1/11 at 2:38 pm to QCC
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ONE grayshirt
Hope the kid knows already cause that shite sucks for them.
Posted on 2/1/11 at 2:40 pm to QCC
quote:You know you can only sign 28 LOIs right? And enroll 25? That leaves you with at least 1 not getting an LOI to sign and at least 3 non-qualifiers/grayshirts.
which would leave the possibility of ONE grayshirt at the most.
This post was edited on 2/1/11 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 2/1/11 at 2:40 pm to gatorrocks
Yea, but that's assuming all will qualify. That hasn't happened in a long time, at least not a year I can remember. If we have more than 2 who DNQ then we'll be UNDERsigned.
ETA: we've had at least 2 not qualify in the past 3-4 years, from what I remember off the top of my head.
ETA: we've had at least 2 not qualify in the past 3-4 years, from what I remember off the top of my head.
This post was edited on 2/1/11 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 2/1/11 at 2:44 pm to QCC
Yeah, that's what Les said last year, and he was practically crucified for it. Then, the one kid who was affected walked on this year. There were no retractions.
Posted on 2/1/11 at 2:48 pm to Tigerpaul1969
Sometimes coaches will sign a guy even though the know he won't qualify, just to send him to JUCO. Signing him first, though, gives them a little advantage when he becomes eligible after JUCO. A lot of coaches and coaching staffs do that.
Posted on 2/1/11 at 2:49 pm to QCC
quote:Your post still doesn't explain it. You can only sign 28, even if they eventually do not qualify. The numbers are still off.
Sometimes coaches will sign a guy even though the know he won't qualify, just to send him to JUCO. Signing him first, though, gives them a little advantage when he becomes eligible after JUCO. A lot of coaches and coaching staffs do that.
Posted on 2/1/11 at 2:52 pm to WDE24
but they won't count against this year's class
Posted on 2/1/11 at 2:56 pm to QCC
quote:You have 30 right now if you include Clowney, not counting the EEs that count back to last year. That means 2 of the 30 will not be allowed to sign LOIs. Then, you can only enroll 25 this fall, so there are 3 that will either have to not qualify, gray shirt or just suck it up and not enroll.
but they won't count against this year's class
Posted on 2/1/11 at 2:56 pm to QCC
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You know you can only sign 28 LOIs right? And enroll 25? That leaves you with at least 1 not getting an LOI to sign and at least 3 non-qualifiers/grayshirts
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your post still doesn't explain it
The 29 against us this year includes the verbals of Cooper and Mauldin, who may not commit afterall. That would leave us with 27, and Clowney would make 28. That means 3 kids would have to go without scholly. Most coaching staffs who do this know the players well enough to know which ones will even qualify, and who is willing to grayshirt/walk on.
Posted on 2/1/11 at 3:00 pm to QCC
quote:True, but they may also.
The 29 against us this year includes the verbals of Cooper and Mauldin, who may not commit afterall.
quote:I agree with this. The part that made me think you were confused in the OP was the "1 gray shirt at the most" comment.
That would leave us with 27, and Clowney would make 28. That means 3 kids would have to go without scholly. Most coaching staffs who do this know the players well enough to know which ones will even qualify, and who is willing to grayshirt/walk on.
Also, I think it is pretty standard across the SEC for at least 2 not to qualify. So, if the 2 you mentioned that are waivering sign elsewhere, USC has no problems.
This post was edited on 2/1/11 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 2/1/11 at 3:02 pm to WDE24
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USC has no problems
I will hand it to our coaching staff when it comes to figuring out which kids will qualify, which ones will not, and who will be willing to grayshirt (not many) or walk on (there are a few in this class who would be decent options). The numbers have worked out in our favor. Coach Beamer, Lawing, Mangus, along with Spurrier seem to have it nailed.
Thanks for the input
Posted on 2/16/11 at 10:27 pm to QCC
Not unlike many fans of oversigning programs, you appear to be confused about what oversigning is and how it applies to South Carolina currently.
South Carolina had 26 scholarship players departing as of signing day. It signed 31 (including the surprise announcement just before Signing Day that long-time commits Mauldin and Montgomery would not be given LOIs to sign after all).
Clowney made 32.
Tramell Williams has since been chased off to an inferior university so South Carolina is currently, after 2 pulled offers and chasing a back-up out of town, 5 oversigned.
South Carolina had 26 scholarship players departing as of signing day. It signed 31 (including the surprise announcement just before Signing Day that long-time commits Mauldin and Montgomery would not be given LOIs to sign after all).
Clowney made 32.
Tramell Williams has since been chased off to an inferior university so South Carolina is currently, after 2 pulled offers and chasing a back-up out of town, 5 oversigned.
This post was edited on 2/16/11 at 10:28 pm
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