re: Ole Miss confirms text conversations happened

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The point was that as heinous and fricked up as the Penn State situation was, the NCAA acted largely without any evidence of NCAA infractions on the part of the athletic program. They hammered Penn State basically because they were mad as hell about what had happened and didn't need evidence to do so.

If the NCAA wants to make an example out of Ole Miss, they don't need any reason to do so other than the fact that they want to.

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Yep. In the Alabama/Albert Means case, they relied very heavily on confidential, unnamed witnesses when their own rules forbade them from doing so.

If they think you're guilty and worthy of punishment, they'll just make up a way to get there as they go along.

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Then why do they even have an investigation process and NOA process if none of that matters at all?

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To save face, more or less. The NCAA as a whole is made up of member institutions and its committees are made up of individuals from a variety of different schools. If it doesn't present the image of a united front of member institutions policed by member institutions, then faith is lost in the system and it leaves the door open for schools to pull out and start their own league (as UGA and Oklahoma threatened to do in the 80s when the NCAA had a stranglehold on which teams got to be on TV on which days). But at the end of the day, the NCAA has guys like Emmert & Co. that have the power to make the decisions that they want to make. If they feel it benefits their future to pop the boil on their arse that is Ole Miss, they can most certainly do so without process.

ETA: Keep in mind that of all the sins you can commit against the NCAA, paying players is the capital offense (academics are almost arbitrary; the NCAA was created to preserve the idea of "amateurism" so universities could avoid having to pay out workman's comp to injured players). Not coming down hard on a University (like USCw, for example) for providing financial benefits to a player under the table undermines not only their authority but their reason for being. Given the legal climate surrounding them right now, I don't see how they can't act in harsh measure as it reinforces all that they've claimed in open court

If you go look at the NCAAs website there is actually a penalty matrix that they work with in to determine what fits each crime. This is a concert procedure and not oh what do we want to do this time type of system. And if they break from that matrix they must explain the reasoning behind it.

It is not the free for all that you want it to be.

You need a break.

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And if they break from that matrix they must explain the reasoning behind it.

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Have you heard the NCAA give an explanation before? It is ALWAYS convoluted and embarrassing. Make no mistake, they are a joke of an organization but that's exactly what I'm saying should scare you right now.

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If you go look at the NCAAs website there is actually a penalty matrix that they work with in to determine what fits each crime.

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And it seems that said penalty matrix is working exactly as they want it to in your case. Why do you think they have to put that on their main website? It provides the illusion that there is some methodology to what they do.

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not oh what do we want to do this time type of system.

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Actually, that's exactly what this is. The climate around college athletics is changing so quickly that the NCAA really has no choice but to make things up on the fly. And given that everyone and their brother can see that they're in the wrong in the argument for amateurism but that the NCAA has to defend the interests of the member institutions that stand to make and keep a ton of money under the current model, they're damn sure going to act and speak and publish materials as though they're an organized unit with a rigid structure and rhyme to their reasoning.


ETA: You're basically going up against the North Korea of organizations: clearly making shite up to make themselves look bigger and better than what they are but still just powerful enough to do some damage if you give them something to sink their teeth into

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The new system was put in to place in 2013.

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There were systems in place when Penn State and Albert Means/Alabama happened too. Here's the NCAA's attitude about situations that don't fit their rules: