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re: NIL was supposed to make the strong stronger. But is it actually creating more parity?

Posted on 10/6/24 at 11:33 am to
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61070 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 11:33 am to
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HS recruiting rankings mean less.

You can't keep them all on campus riding the bench for years while you build super depth far above lower level programs.

Washington got to the championship game without great hs recruiting because that's been devalued.

It's apparently too hard a concept for you to grasp.


That theory is debunked by the fact that talent is dispersed generally the same as it was 10 years ago.

Who are these mythical teams that have suddenly stepped up a level and are now legitimate contenders?

You mentioned Washington but they also made the CFP in 2016, pre NIL.
Posted by CatBBN
Member since Jan 2020
2594 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 11:39 am to
More so the transfer portal. Teams don’t have as much continuity with so much turnover year after year. Creates depth issues and lack of chemistry. Teams are way more hit or miss because of them depending on certain transfers, particularly at quarterback
Posted by AUTubaHerd
Member since Nov 2012
2065 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 11:40 am to
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There may be SLIGHTLY more parity but no, the parity argument because of last night and UGA/Bama is bullshite.


The same teams may be the best on average, but you can’t convince me there isn’t more week to week volatility/inconsistency in the portal/NIL era.
Posted by okietiger
Chelsea F.C. Fan
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 10/6/24 at 11:48 am to
I think transfer rules MIXED with NIL is what’s creating the parity.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
30687 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 11:50 am to
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Seeing all these upsets and parity across cfb. Now kids who would never have considered going to a tier 2 school will go there if it means there’s a chance to play and make $$. Granted it won’t be as much money as being an elite player at a big school - but the combination of NIL and transfer portal seems like it’s actually creating more opportunities at other schools beyond the blue bloods. With scholarship limits, those kids gotta go somewhere. But not only that…now the kids at the elite schools who are making a ton of $$ without doing anything are also not playing as hard.


Not a single upset yesterday was a result of smaller teams getting more talent. If you think the reason Vandy beat Alabama was because Alabama dropped in talent while Vandy increased, then I don't know what sport you are following. Because that couldn't be further from the truth.

There is not an increase in parity.

There is a however an increase in players who lose focus. Instead of sitting in their dorm studying film and working to get better, they are out spending all that NIL money, getting their dicks wet and so on.

They'll focus for a big game, like you saw Alabama the week prior with Georgia. But then when it's some team like Vandy, they don't.

Meanwhile, Vandy is not reeling in the NIL. Their players took that time and put in the effort. And it showed.

I think the Alabama staff was probably as guilty as the players in not taking the game serious. It was a complete failure from top to bottom. The staff didn't prep all week, there was no adjustment. They had no plan.

TL;DR: Trap games have become more dangerous due to NIL.


This post was edited on 10/6/24 at 11:52 am
Posted by NickPapageorgio
Yuma, AZ
Member since Oct 2014
849 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 11:56 am to
If you believe Bama, LSU, etc have the same monopoly on talent that they had 10 years ago, cool.

You can't make the blind see.

It's the DEPTH that's being taken away from the elite programs.

It's obvious to anyone who cares to see it.

The blind see nothing.

Carry on.

Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61070 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:01 pm to
quote:

If you believe Bama, LSU, etc have the same monopoly on talent that they had 10 years ago, cool.

You can't make the blind see.

It's the DEPTH that's being taken away from the elite programs.

It's obvious to anyone who cares to see it.

The blind see nothing.

Carry on.


You keep moving the goalposts.

Meanwhile, the traditional powers are still the traditional powers.

I'm sure depth has been eroded some, but it isn't some drastic difference.
Posted by Ptins944
Member since Jan 2019
2008 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:06 pm to
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There may be SLIGHTLY more parity but no, the parity argument because of last night and UGA/Bama is bullshite. With NIL, the big schools are still getting the big recruits.

The recruiting rankings haven’t changed much other than Texas sucking in the 2010s to pulling top 5 classes.
Perhaps the reason Texas sucked is because the players were not as good as their rankings?

The main difference w/ Texas is they are no longer chasing the players that others have ranked at the top of their list. Mack was a star chaser who signed recruits based on their junior highlights, and Herman wanted running QB's and big receivers, who were also slow, possession type guys. A lot of those guys peaked in HS, and the results showed.

Sark is getting the skill guys he wants for his system and Kyle Flood is getting the bid bodied OL he prefers, that HE can develop, neither of which have anything to do with the rankings of 247, On3, ESPN, or anybody else.

Most of the last two classes graduated HS in December and went though spring training instead of spending the spring semester in HS. Graduating early means the kids are good students, which goes a long way in having admirable character traits.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
30687 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:07 pm to
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If you believe Bama, LSU, etc have the same monopoly on talent that they had 10 years ago, cool.

You can't make the blind see.

It's the DEPTH that's being taken away from the elite programs.

It's obvious to anyone who cares to see it.

The blind see nothing.

Carry on.


Depth is not being eroded.

What's being eroded is heart and the pride for the schools they attend, how they represent themselves and what they do on the field. You give a bunch of 18 year olds a bunch of money, and the way they handle it is going to vary greatly.

And that's also why Saban said frick this shite.

Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
30687 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:09 pm to
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Graduating early means the kids are good students,




My cousin got a scholarship offer to UNA and he could barely read.
Posted by NickPapageorgio
Yuma, AZ
Member since Oct 2014
849 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:09 pm to
I haven't moved anything.

I've described how the talent is now being spread out to more programs.

You thought it'd make the strong, stronger. I didn't.

I thought it'd allow teams to poach players from teams who had 4stars sitting on the bench.

So now we see Bama losing to Vandy.

Is it because Vandy got more talent? Some fools seem to believe that or some other nonsense.

Or is it because Bama has fallen back to the pack a little talent wise? Maybe Bama hasn't been able to stack a 2nd string head and shoulders above Vandys first string.

Maybe, just maybe, losing depth to the portal so that your elite second string isn't so elite as several of them moved on to be on another teams 1st string will actually knock the elites down....just a little....closer to tue pack.

Of course that wouldn't be happening.

??
Posted by mike4lsu
Baton Rouge,LA
Member since Sep 2005
1723 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:10 pm to
NIL will ultimately kill high school recruiting for the upper echelons of the top two conferences.

Just think of it, boosters pay 1.5 miliion for a 5 star high school recruit to come play for Alabama. But there is huge risk. The athlete could underperform in the classroom or on the field or get into trouble and then drop out or portal out. Then the money is lost. High school recruits are too risky to bet on

But take a sophomore in the Big12, AAC or ACC. He has played college ball, you already know his academics and his character. So he becomes a better fit for a 1.5 mil deal at Alabama or LSU.

Another thing, today boosters are driving this. But tomorrow when NIL becomes more expensive, media markets and advertisement incomes might be the source of NIL funding. UT, TAMU and USCw will benefit the most.
Posted by Tr33fiddy
Hog Jaw, Arkansas (it exists)
Member since Aug 2023
1382 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:15 pm to
It's not hard to grasp here. Teams like Bama can't snatch up the majority of top recruits and have them riding pine keeping them out of the hands of other schools.

The transfer rule change was huge. Arkansas is stacked with transfers. A former volunteer was out there in hogs gear swatting away passes for us lol.
Posted by McMillan
Member since Jul 2018
6906 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:42 pm to
Agreed. It’s the pro sports model
Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
Member since Nov 2018
9618 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:46 pm to
More parity.

You can no longer stock pile talent like Saban did from 2010-2020.

Kids are going to say do I want to be recruit #10 for Georgia in a class, and not play for 2 years or be recruit #1 for South Carolina or Arkansas and get a bag.

I think conference realignment (teams playing in unfamilar places), Saban retiring, NIL and portal, all contribute to more parity.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61070 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:58 pm to
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I haven't moved anything.

I've described how the talent is now being spread out to more programs.

You thought it'd make the strong, stronger. I didn't.

I thought it'd allow teams to poach players from teams who had 4stars sitting on the bench.

So now we see Bama losing to Vandy.

Is it because Vandy got more talent? Some fools seem to believe that or some other nonsense.

Or is it because Bama has fallen back to the pack a little talent wise? Maybe Bama hasn't been able to stack a 2nd string head and shoulders above Vandys first string.

Maybe, just maybe, losing depth to the portal so that your elite second string isn't so elite as several of them moved on to be on another teams 1st string will actually knock the elites down....just a little....closer to tue pack.

Of course that wouldn't be happening.

??


Again, talent isn't really distributed much different than it was 10 years ago.

Your feelings aren't facts.

Upsets have always happened, the big differences are that teams have less chemistry because of so much player movement and more players are mercenaries now.
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