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re: Nicest SEC campus? Worst?
Posted on 4/4/11 at 12:10 am to wmr
Posted on 4/4/11 at 12:10 am to wmr
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Actually, Arkansas initially rejected secession by a 39-25 vote, split roughtly NW to SE against and for. Only after the war had begun did Arkansas reluctantly secede. It was only after the war had begun, and Arkansas naturally sided with its closest neighbors. Had we not, we would have been war enemies of our closest and more populous neighbors immediately. Arkansas did not secede until it had basically no other choice.
But don't let facts get in your way.
That doesn't change the fact that the architecture of the campus is largely not "southern" in the way that a lot of other SEC campuses are.
And if Fayetteville is such a part of the "old south", how do you explain that the NWA Metro is almost 500k people and still less than 2% African American?
There was probably never a single "southern style" plantation within 200 miles of Fayetteville.
Yep, Arkansas was going to secede the minute SC was in a political mess, ha. No one does anything unless forced to choose a side. The entire deep south seceded and Arkansas was the first upper South to go ahead of Tennessee, North Carolina and Kentucky, which chose to stay in the Union.
Arkansas chose a side 69:1 when it matter, period.
Again show me all the "Old South" built before 1910 in all of the SEC campuses and I'll agree with you. Otherwise, every single SEC campus is the exact same replicating the "Old South" with buildings post 1910. (45 years after the Civil War)
Yeah, there sure is a lot of cotton to be picked in Fayetteville, Ark and Knoxville, TN in those hills compared to the delta. Great analogy... ha. Oh, by the way Knoxville, TN is 2% Black and has double the amount of people in the metro area.
Fayetteville is the exact same as Knoxville, try again.
According to you if it wasn't built pre Civil War than it's not "Southern". Heck, if that's the case then it clears out 85% of every single campus in the SEC. If those buildings that make that cut are VERY few and far between.
P.s. Missouri had over 1 Million people which was more than every single state bordered Arkansas and they stayed Union. That obviously wasn't the worry.
If anything Arkansas should've joined the Union because Missouri had a massive free population that was pro Union. We all know Pea Ridge, Ark was the biggest Battle west of the Mississippi River which killed many people. Arkansas actually went against the grain and hardcore 69 to 1 vote for the Confederacy.
Side Note: Arkansas had more of a Black to white Ratio of population than every single Upper Southern State.. Which included, Tennessee, Kentucky, North Carolina and Virginia.
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Posted on 4/4/11 at 12:10 am to RebelWriter
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LSU had a few dainty oak trees but is largely urban, being in the capital city. The football stadium was plain. The baseball stadium felt rich to me but quickly lost it's appeal. Maybe it was the cow pasture across from it, I'm not sure. The landscape is flat and Baton Rouge is largely corporate and completely unimaginative. The football team could arguably claim being the program of the last decade but the experience, in a word, is 'overrated.'
seriously...Posted on 4/4/11 at 12:18 am to SunHog
As I edited into my previous post, aping ante-bellum southern architecture in Fayetteville, when the closest plantations were 200 plus miles away, would be faking it.
I love Fay Jones and I love Marlon Blackwell. Those two architects use the local cultural reality as inspiration for their work. Their influences are the natural environment and the agrarian architecture native to the region.
The dominant collegiate gothic style looks great on any campus, and if anything, I wish we had much more of it.
I'm very comfortable with where Fayetteville stands culturally. I'm a 7th generation Arkansawyer (at least). Both of my lineages are western and northwestern Arkansas via Kansas and Texas/Tennessee respectively.
I'm fairly certain nobody in my family tree owned a slave. We've always been prairie folk, hill folk and cowboy/rancher folk. We're still southern, but more the way North Texas is a little southern mixed with a little western. And I'm ok with that.
I love Fay Jones and I love Marlon Blackwell. Those two architects use the local cultural reality as inspiration for their work. Their influences are the natural environment and the agrarian architecture native to the region.
The dominant collegiate gothic style looks great on any campus, and if anything, I wish we had much more of it.
I'm very comfortable with where Fayetteville stands culturally. I'm a 7th generation Arkansawyer (at least). Both of my lineages are western and northwestern Arkansas via Kansas and Texas/Tennessee respectively.
I'm fairly certain nobody in my family tree owned a slave. We've always been prairie folk, hill folk and cowboy/rancher folk. We're still southern, but more the way North Texas is a little southern mixed with a little western. And I'm ok with that.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 12:27 am to wmr
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As I edited into my previous post, aping ante-bellum southern architecture in Fayetteville, when the closest plantations were 200 plus miles away, would be faking it.
I love Fay Jones and I love Marlon Blackwell. Those two architects use the local cultural reality as inspiration for their work. Their influences are the natural environment and the agrarian architecture native to the region.
The dominant collegiate gothic style looks great on any campus, and if anything, I wish we had much more of it.
I'm very comfortable with where Fayetteville stands culturally. I'm a 7th generation Arkansawyer (at least). Both of my lineages are western and northwestern Arkansas via Kansas and Texas/Tennessee respectively.
I'm fairly certain nobody in my family tree owned a slave. We've always been prairie folk, hill folk and cowboy/rancher folk. We're still southern, but more the way North Texas is a little southern mixed with a little western. And I'm ok with tha
Most campuses need to get away from the Modern look, it's awful.
My family has been in Arkansas for a very long time via Georgia and Alabama. I had family fight in the Civil War and owned a plantation house in Jonesboro, Ark. History is very interesting and I happen to know my fair share.
One thing is we are definitely educating LSU about Arkansas.
There is a vast difference between Fayetteville 2% black and Little Rock 45% black that isn't in question. Just as there is a vast difference between Knoxville 2% black and Memphis 51% black.
My bottom line:
Every single SEC school is replicating the "Old South" because almost no campus has more than 2 or 3 buildings pre 1915 still standing. (50 years after the Civil War)
LSU (1860), Ole Miss (1848) and Auburn (1856) were the only schools founded before the Civil War of 1861 in the West.
In the East even Vanderbilt (1873) and Kentucky (1865) came post Civil War.
That doesn't leave a whole lot of room for any SEC school to have ante-bellum southern architecture. Plus, most of the school older than the Civil War in the East were burned to the grounded that included many schools in South Arkansas of the West.
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Posted on 4/4/11 at 7:55 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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Northern Italian-influenced architecture
It's Spanish you dumbass. Learn some frickin' history.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 8:07 am to Dandy Lion
Didn't read a frickin' word in this thread. I only came here to say "really? This shite again?"
Carry on.
Carry on.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 9:50 am to DCRebel
I think people are finally starting to realize that State's campus is nicer than it used to get credit for. As far as buildings go, it's as nice as anyone else. The landscape is just not as appealing as most SEC schools. It's so spread out and plain that it keeps it from making the list of one of the best campuses. It's as nice as any, but it's just not as appealing to the eyes as some other schools. The progress made over the last ten years is incredible.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 9:54 am to SunHog
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most of the school older than the Civil War in the East were burned to the grounded that included many schools in South Arkansas of the West.
not LSU. We were one of the few things Sherman didn't burn on his march. He actually gave up his post as University President to serve in the war-for the other side... But he didn't burn his beloved LSU.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 10:26 am to Tds & Beer
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I think people are finally starting to realize that State's campus is nicer than it used to get credit for.
Well there have been a lot of great changes ever since I stepped foot in Starkville (about 8 years ago). It's still, as you put it, a plain campus, but the new buildings, rennovations, and such have done a lot.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 10:29 am to tigerpike
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not LSU. We were one of the few things Sherman didn't burn on his march. He actually gave up his post as University President to serve in the war-for the other side... But he didn't burn his beloved LSU.
Oxford was burned to the ground by Grant. Only three bulidings were spared (per the request of Chancellor Barnard who was apparently a friend of Grant's): the Lyceum, the Chapel (which is now the Croft Institute), and the Observatory (which is now Barnard Observatory which houses the Southern Studies stuff).
Posted on 4/4/11 at 10:40 am to DCRebel
Gen. Croxton's brigade burned most of Alabama's campus. Only 4 buildings survived - President's Mansion, the Observatory, Gorgas House, and the Round House(a guard house).
Coincidentally, his destruction of the University began on April 4, 1865.
Coincidentally, his destruction of the University began on April 4, 1865.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 10:48 am to SunHog
Most of my family resides in Arkansas now, I had ancestors that fought in the civil war, I was directly related to Clara Barton, who founded the American Red Cross. Our family owned 4 plantations in Louisiana, 2 of which were in New Orleans and included the famous Destrehan Plantation, the other two were actually on the ground that LSU now sits upon. Our family lost every single plantation during the civil war. Sold the 2 in baton rouge then they constructed the University on the land, the 2 in New Orleans were taken from us. The Destrehan Plantation still stands today, my great great great grandfather's picture is in the brochure.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 10:54 am to deltaland
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Most of my family resides in Arkansas now, I had ancestors that fought in the civil war, I was directly related to Clara Barton, who founded the American Red Cross. Our family owned 4 plantations in Louisiana, 2 of which were in New Orleans and included the famous Destrehan Plantation, the other two were actually on the ground that LSU now sits upon. Our family lost every single plantation during the civil war. Sold the 2 in baton rouge then they constructed the University on the land, the 2 in New Orleans were taken from us. The Destrehan Plantation still stands today, my great great great grandfather's picture is in the brochure.
Is that supposed to impress me? My great granfather was an Irishman with a gambling problem. That has about as much bearing on who I am today as your family's history does.
It's interesting, but it doesn't earn you cool points.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 10:57 am to DCRebel
I think its pretty cool.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 11:00 am to DCRebel
Guess what dick? I wasn't replying to you so STFU, the guy shared his family's past related to the civil war and plantations so I decided to share mine. I don't give a frick what you think
Posted on 4/4/11 at 11:17 am to deltaland
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Guess what dick? I wasn't replying to you so STFU,
I don't give a flying frick who you were replying to.
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I don't give a frick what you think
Hence the response. Or, better yet, hence you typing the post in the first place.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 11:29 am to deltaland
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Our family owned 4 plantations in Louisiana, 2 of which were in New Orlea2ns and included the famous Destrehan Plantation, the other two were actually on the ground that LSU now sits upon. Our family lost every single plantation during the civil war. Sold the 2 in baton rouge then they constructed the University on the land, the 2 in New Orleans were taken from us. The Destrehan Plantation still stands today, my great great great grandfather's picture is in the brochure.
Cool. My brother lived about a mile from the Destrehan Plantation for the past 7 years. I've been to some of the last few festivals there as it's literally about a 4 minute drive from his house. Neat place.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 11:31 am to DCRebel
I wasn't trying to earn cool points, just telling some history on the time period I thought was interesting that involved my ancestors. no reason to get on here and bash me when I wasn't even talking to you. Typical Ole Miss fan being a prick
Posted on 4/4/11 at 11:35 am to Govt Tide
Cool, I've been there once it is an awesome place I wish we still owned it (damn Yankees)... If you look at the brochure my great 3x Grandfather was the one who married Zelia Destrehan ( If i remember right that was her name)
Posted on 4/4/11 at 12:34 pm to deltaland
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Typical Ole Miss fan being a prick
You know it. And you know I don't give a frick either.
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