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re: NFL Network draft analyst: Tua more talented and has a higher ceiling than Burrow
Posted on 2/18/20 at 10:49 am to AHM21
Posted on 2/18/20 at 10:49 am to AHM21
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LSU fans trying this hard to convince others that Tua is average is the content I'm here for. Thank you.
He's not average by any means. His accuracy is nuts. That doesn't mean he hasn't benefited for a complete dogshit schedule his 2 years as a starter.
2018:
Louisville
Arky St.
Ole Miss
Aggy
ULL
Arkansans
Mizzou
UT
LSU
State
Citadel
Aub
UGA
OU
Clemson (where Tua looked awful)
2019:
Duke
New Mexico St.
USCe
USM
Ole Miss
Aggy
UT
Arkansas
LSU
State
West. Carolina
Auburn
Michigan
0
Posted on 2/18/20 at 10:57 am to The_Ultimate_Warrior
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Average FBS starting QB completion percentage over the last 3 seasons: 61.3%
Tua completion percentage vs year-end AP Top 25 teams: 62.2%
So, yes. Like I said, slightly above average when you remove his stats vs cupcakes.
What will your comment be when he's drafted in the 1st round of the NFL draft?..I can hear it now. "Those stupid NFL scouts don't know shite about football talent!
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:01 am to AHM21
Joe could have thrown 100 tds and they would still be saying this shite.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:06 am to coachcrisp
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What will your comment be when he's drafted in the 1st round of the NFL draft?..I can hear it now. "Those stupid NFL scouts don't know shite about football talent!
Marcus Mariota was drafted 2nd overall
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:06 am to ExpoTiger
Who's they?
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:58 am to coachcrisp
Tua has not consistently hit revivers in tight spaces while getting pressured in the pocket. Some of it relates to his receivers being wide as open and some to the lack of pressure most schools put on him. There is a reason he lost to LSU and Clemson the last two seasons. He missed small windows and could not handle the pressure. Frankly, LSU put decent pressure on him in 2018 and forced him into some poor throws and sacks. LSU just didn’t have the offense to capitalize.
Joe has hit receivers while getting hammered by defenses. He has never been hurt despite taking some big shots from multiple teams. He has evaded the pass rush to the point where his rush for first down percentage is the highest amongst all players in college football. This is a subjective opinion, but there are many data points and knows on Joe that suggest he is and will be the better QB. I live Tua and he has more pure talent than anyone in the draft, but so did several other high QB picks. Durability, accuracy and performing when you know you will be hit are the three things you have to be able to succeed at to be THE MAN in the NFL.
Joe has hit receivers while getting hammered by defenses. He has never been hurt despite taking some big shots from multiple teams. He has evaded the pass rush to the point where his rush for first down percentage is the highest amongst all players in college football. This is a subjective opinion, but there are many data points and knows on Joe that suggest he is and will be the better QB. I live Tua and he has more pure talent than anyone in the draft, but so did several other high QB picks. Durability, accuracy and performing when you know you will be hit are the three things you have to be able to succeed at to be THE MAN in the NFL.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 2:00 pm to coachcrisp
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Who's they?
Lol. Are you serious? Do you close your eyes and randomly pick threads and then make a comment not knowing the context or are you just a dumbass.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 2:26 pm to coachcrisp
quote:You’re having to point to a game that he didn’t even start from his freshmen year
I guess you forgot the comeback victory against Georgia in the Nat'l Championship game, huh?
That should tell you something.
(And he completed like 50% of his passes and threw a pick in one half of that game - and another easy pick was dropped.)
Look man, I understand that you’re disappointed in how his career went. But it happens. I member feeling the same way about Brandon Harris.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 3:09 pm to michael corleone
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Tua has not consistently hit revivers
He's only the all time most efficient passer since they started tracking it. The bullshite you guys spew undermines any valid point you may have.
LINK
1 Tua Tagovailoa* 199.4 2017 2019 Alabama
2 Kyler Murray* 181.3 2015 2018 Oklahoma
3 Sam Bradford* 175.6 2007 2009 Oklahoma
4 Baker Mayfield* 175.4 2013 2017 Oklahoma
5 Dwayne Haskins* 174 2017 2018 Ohio State
6 Joe Burrow* 172.4 2015 2019 LSU
7 Marcus Mariota* 171.8 2012 2014 Oregon
8 Tim Tebow* 170.8 2006 2009 Florida
9 Kellen Moore* 169 2008 2011 Boise State
10 Ryan Dinwiddie* 168.9 2000 2003 Boise State
Posted on 2/18/20 at 3:10 pm to MetryTyger
quote:Joe got rocked many times over the last 2 seasons and popped right back up. In the Clemson game Skalski(sp?) tore Joe's rib cartilage (Joe said something to that effect after the game) and Joe played with no problem. Couldn't even tell.
That UCF cheap shot in Dec. 2018 on Joe was scary. That was the worst shot he took and even he didn't pop right back up like he usually did. But UCF paid for their mistake after that... To the the tune of a (then) record 394 yards passing and 4 TDs. A small precursor of things to come in 2019. :)
Posted on 2/18/20 at 3:22 pm to John Milner
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He's only the all time most efficient passer since they started tracking it. The bullshite you guys spew undermines any valid point you may have.
How many times does this have to be explained to you?
Posted on 2/18/20 at 3:29 pm to MightyYat
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How many times does this have to be explained to you?
how many times are you and yours going to try spin it away, to no avail
Posted on 2/18/20 at 3:31 pm to John Milner
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He's only the all time most efficient passer against cupcakes since they started tracking it.
FIFY
Top 5 Highest Career Passer Eff vs Year-End AP Top 25 Teams - Since 2000
1. Joe Burrow: 167.6
2. Sam Bradford: 167.4
3. Baker Mayfield: 163.8
4. Tim Tebow: 163.2
5. Andrew Luck: 163.1
min. 5 games
Tuna wasn't even top 5 when the going got tough.
He was phenomenal vs cupcakes or in garbage time, however.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 3:34 pm to John Milner
Posted on 2/18/20 at 3:42 pm to John Milner
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how many times are you and yours going to try spin it away, to no avail
Hell of a spin
Heisman
Champ
About to be #1 pick
Shattered a zillion records
Crazy spin, I know
Posted on 2/18/20 at 3:43 pm to AHM21
Posted on 2/18/20 at 4:03 pm to The_Ultimate_Warrior
quote:What's your point?
Marcus Mariota was drafted 2nd overall
Posted on 2/18/20 at 4:14 pm to coachcrisp
That “stupid NFL scouts don’t know shite about football talent” 
Posted on 2/18/20 at 4:15 pm to AHM21
Bama homer, dumbass, bucky brooks (who??), on why he ranked Tua above joe:
"Iunno, I jus think he betta."
Joe is better, he proved it on the field. Period. If you think otherwise, homerism doesn't even cover that idiocy. Best qb in college history.
"Iunno, I jus think he betta."
Joe is better, he proved it on the field. Period. If you think otherwise, homerism doesn't even cover that idiocy. Best qb in college history.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 4:15 pm to michael corleone
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Tua has not consistently hit revivers in tight spaces while getting pressured in the pocket. Some of it relates to his receivers being wide as open and some to the lack of pressure most schools put on him. There is a reason he lost to LSU and Clemson the last two seasons. He missed small windows and could not handle the pressure.
My entire argument is with the fools who are calling Tua an average or below avg. QB. I'm not arguing who the better QB is between Tua and Burrows. I'll leave that to the professionals who know a helluva lot more about what it takes to succeed at to be THE MAN in the NFL.
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