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re: New ESPN investigative report on the murder of Jamea Harris/Brandon Miller situation.

Posted on 3/9/23 at 1:45 pm to
Posted by UFownstSECsince1950
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 3/9/23 at 1:45 pm to
I haven’t been following this story at all, but just skimmed through this article. I’m sure it’s been asked/mentioned a whole bunch, but how does dude literally bring the murder weapon to the location to be used, and not get in trouble?

Article stated something to the effect of investigators were unsure if Miller read the text asking for the gun. That’s just crazy to me that’s even being questioned. Is Miller some 90 year old grandmother who isn’t capable of checking his phone once he leaves the house? He’s just so naive and doesn’t realize other people’s firearms are inside his own vehicle??

Literally any of us are charged with accessory to murder at the very minimum, and rightfully so.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71174 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 1:45 pm to
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Well we know the guy in the Jeep had a gun. Miles claims he saw it!

Someone having a gun does not make this a self defense case. Miles seeing a gun prior, texting Miller to deliver his gun, and giving his gun to Davis with no interaction with the boyfriend in between does not make the boyfriend the aggressor simply because he had a gun. Video surveillance plays out what Davis did. Not really sure why you're trying to manufacture a self defense case for the guy who actually killed the girl.

There are certainly shades of grey when it comes to Miles that can create reasonable doubt, but Davis has really no leg to stand on here.
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I guess Davis defense will be “what was I supposed to do, wait for him to shoot first”.


Then why did Davis walk up to the car and start shooting?
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The driver of the Jeep may be guilty as well and he may face some legal consequences before this is over.

very unlikely based on the videos and witness testimony thus far. He would have been charged by now if that was at all a likely scenario
This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 1:56 pm
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
50730 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 1:49 pm to
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I haven’t been following this story at all, but just skimmed through this article. I’m sure it’s been asked/mentioned a whole bunch, but how does dude literally bring the murder weapon to the location to be used, and not get in trouble?

Because if he does not have the intent to bring the gun to Davis/Miles for them to use in the commission of a crime, then there is nothing to charge him with. The primary crime that has been discussed with regards to Miller has an intent requirement, and there isn’t evidence to show that he had the required intent. Thus, the DA had no reason to pursue charges for that crime.
This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 1:50 pm
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62350 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 1:52 pm to
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Now, it's just going to be that much more difficult to pull himself out of this sadness.


At least it seems like he has grandparents who are willing to raise him as their own. Hopefully that's enough to keep him from being another statistic.

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I'm not so sure I agree Miles shouldn't be charged


I think he deserved to be charged, but I also think he has a plausible defense. I find it hard to believe a jury will convict him of capital murder. I wouldn't be shocked to see him plea down to lesser charges.

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All that said, at the absolute bottom of my give-a-frick-o-meter are all the deranged virtue-signaling (primarily LSU and Auburn but a surprisingly large swath in all honesty) 'fans' who have absolutely no interest in the facts, and instead have been actively cheering this to get worse for Miller, while somehow trying to maintain a transparent facade of morals or actually giving a shite about the victims. That's real sickness.


Agreed. 100%
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62350 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 1:53 pm to
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That’s just crazy to me that’s even being questioned. Is Miller some 90 year old grandmother who isn’t capable of checking his phone once he leaves the house? He’s just so naive and doesn’t realize other people’s firearms are inside his own vehicle??


It's really strange to me how many of y'all check your texts while driving.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36776 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 1:54 pm to
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but how does dude literally bring the murder weapon to the location to be used, and not get in trouble?


Cause he was already on the way to pick them up and the text about the gun was sent only a few minutes before he pulled in. He was driving and basically there when he recieved the text. No one has said for sure if he read it or not, but if he did he may not have taken it seriously or understood the severity of what was happening or going to happen.

Everyone wants to act like he read the text, then ran to his car and sped towards the scene to give Miles the gun.

When in reality he was coming to pick him up, not intentionally deliver a gun to be used in a crime.

Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71174 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 1:58 pm to
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It's really strange to me how many of y'all check your texts while driving.

I don't really think the guy you responded to made a good argument, but iirc, Miller received the texts while he was at a restaurant nearby and then got in his car to go meet Miles.
This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 1:59 pm
Posted by NaturalStateReb
Arkansas
Member since Jun 2012
1600 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 1:59 pm to
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He also lied to police when he said Miles just showed up to his apartment shot. One other thing the article brings up is Miles' girlfriend driving the getaway car yet she's mentioned very little in the rest of the article. As far as probable cause for being an accessory, she seems to have a lot more exposure than Miller. She sees a guy with a bullet hole in his shoulder and running away with a gun, and is like "hurry up get in." Then, no one calls the police until they get back to Miles' apartment and everyone plays dumb. His girlfriend may not have known what was up before it happened, but she certainly had enough knowledge not to play along with the bullshite lie Miles initially told police officers.


Maybe, but keep in mind that she's hearing gunshots, too. Running away from a gunfight is a pretty reasonable reaction.

Lying to the cops isn't the same as capital murder. People lie to cops all day every day.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36776 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 2:02 pm to
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Miller received the texts while he was at a restaurant nearby and then got in his car to go meet Miles.


No, he recieved the initial text to come pick him while at a restaurant (no one has said which one or how close). THEN he drove a friend home. Then was driving to get Miles and Davis and almost there when the text about the gun was sent.
This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 2:04 pm
Posted by NaturalStateReb
Arkansas
Member since Jun 2012
1600 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 2:03 pm to
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I don't really think the guy you responded to made a good argument, but iirc, Miller received the texts while he was at a restaurant nearby and then got in his car to go meet Miles.


Even if this is true, it doesn't mean that he knows Miles is going to commit capital murder. He might be going because he thinks Miles thinks he may have to defend himself. It doesn't sound like Miles is the triggerman, anyway, which puts another layer on it.

You might not think this is true, but it's a reasonable possibility, i.e., doubt.
This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 2:04 pm
Posted by cmayes56
Alabama
Member since Oct 2015
3114 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 2:05 pm to
I like how you cherry picked out where I said Davis is going to prison and should… lol
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71174 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 2:12 pm to
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Maybe, but keep in mind that she's hearing gunshots, too. Running away from a gunfight is a pretty reasonable reaction.

Lying to the cops isn't the same as capital murder. People lie to cops all day every day.
My issue is she picked up a guy who had visibly been shot, drove him to Miles' apartment, and then was complicit in the lie Miles told to police. Most reasonable people in her position would have done things such as drive Davis to the hospital, report he had been shot to police after they got the car out of the area, etc. I'm not saying she's 100% culpable, but IMO there are more red flags around her involvement than there are for Miller's involvement, yet the girlfriend has barely been referenced at all and never had been until the ESPN article to my knowledge.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71174 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 2:13 pm to
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Even if this is true, it doesn't mean that he knows Miles is going to commit capital murder. He might be going because he thinks Miles thinks he may have to defend himself. It doesn't sound like Miles is the triggerman, anyway, which puts another layer on it.

I didn't say or infer any of this.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71174 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 2:13 pm to
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I like how you cherry picked out where I said Davis is going to prison and should… lol


I responded to each and every part of your post and now I'm "cherry picking." Ok
Posted by UFownstSECsince1950
Member since Dec 2009
32811 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 2:14 pm to
And an illegal possession of a firearm charge is off the table as well, cause no way ole boy knew someone else’s gun was inside his car??
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36776 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 2:15 pm to
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IMO there are more red flags around her involvement than there are for Miller's involvement, yet the girlfriend has barely been referenced at all


She's not a star Alabama Basketball player. She's not click worthy.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36776 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 2:16 pm to
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And an illegal possession of a firearm charge is off the table as well, cause no way ole boy knew someone else’s gun was inside his car??


I'm sure he knew it was in his car. It's not illegal for a 18 year old to possess a firearm in alabama without a permit. There is no conceal and carry permit required anymore.
This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 2:19 pm
Posted by UFownstSECsince1950
Member since Dec 2009
32811 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 2:19 pm to
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It's not illegal for a 18 year old to possess a firearm in alabama without a permit.
ok, I didn’t realize it was 18 in Alabama for handguns. It’s ridiculous that it’s 21 in some states, should be 18 in every state.
Posted by cmayes56
Alabama
Member since Oct 2015
3114 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 2:25 pm to
Can’t be in Alabama.. no permit required
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71174 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 2:27 pm to
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She's not a star Alabama Basketball player. She's not click worthy.

Well she wasn’t even called to testify at the prelim or referenced in the police reports. They don’t care about clicks. Just seems odd
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