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re: NCAA Proposes Cecil Newton Law to Close Loophole That AU Slipped Through

Posted on 7/27/11 at 3:03 pm to
Posted by Dick Burleson
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Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 7/27/11 at 3:06 pm to
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molsusports


Thats why they are considering changing the language to include seeking whereas before it did not.

So before you could seek and if not reciprocated, as in agree upon, was not against and now with the addition of the word it is.
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 7/27/11 at 3:10 pm to
I can not understand how in the world that was the verbiage if it ever was - because typically the schools providing illicit benefits are the only ones who could prove the benefits were provided (and they are not likely to turn themselves in)

That makes for a near impossible enforcement situation - it is hard enough to find enough evidence to be convinced a kid sought illicit benefits

And what if the kid didn't seek them but they start showing up (envelopes of cash) in his locker? Isn't he still eligible if that verbiage is the key? After all - he never sought them out... he just received them

whole thing strikes me as crazy
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 7/27/11 at 3:15 pm to
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whole thing strikes me as crazy


Agreed,


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And what if the kid didn't seek them but they start showing up (envelopes of cash) in his locker? Isn't he still eligible if that verbiage is the key? After all - he never sought them out... he just received them


I think once he accepts them it is consider agreed upon, if he were to refuse, it would not
Posted by texastigerr
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Posted on 7/27/11 at 3:34 pm to
I would think the loop hole should include that if the person acting like an agent for a kid or if a family member does the same like Cam's dad asking anyone for money, the penalty is harsh and the kid is ruled ineligible. That is how you stop it. You can't penalize a school for signing a kid the right way just because the dad asked for money from another school. I'm not sure I believe he asked from one school and not the other. That makes no sense and is not very believable.
Posted by DonAUfan
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Posted on 7/27/11 at 5:18 pm to
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I'm not sure I believe he asked from one school and not the other. That makes no sense and is not very believable


Its not very believeable and I can understand everyone thinking he had to get money from Auburn. In a earlier post a Miss State fan explained it the same way I think it happened so I won't go into detail but there are feasable senarios that could have happened that do not include Auburn paying.
Posted by RT1941
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Posted on 7/27/11 at 5:19 pm to
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I'm not sure I believe he asked from one school and not the other. That makes no sense and is not very believable.


I agree with you ~ Hard to believe money was asked for from only one out of four schools that were heavily recruiting the kid. And, AU came into the picture late in the recruiting process ---
Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 7/27/11 at 5:23 pm to
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I'm not sure I believe he asked from one school and not the other. That makes no sense and is not very believable.
I understand why people think this, but let me offer some things to chew on. If Kenny Rodgers wasn't a central and apparently key figure in the solicitation, I would agree with you. Being that he was, I can easily see how MSU was the only school that was solicited. Not to mention, the more schools you ask, the more you risk getting caught unless you have a "trusted" inside source like Rodgers. Just food for thought.
Posted by RT1941
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Posted on 7/27/11 at 5:51 pm to
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I understand why people think this, but let me offer some things to chew on. If Kenny Rodgers wasn't a central and apparently key figure in the solicitation, I would agree with you. Being that he was, I can easily see how MSU was the only school that was solicited. Not to mention, the more schools you ask, the more you risk getting caught unless you have a "trusted" inside source like Rodgers. Just food for thought.


I could have sworn that I heard Kenny Rogers say that he had a pre-existing relationship with Cecil/Cam ~ and helped advise them (about Blinn) when Cecil was deciding where Cam should go when he left Florida. If Rogers had any connections in the field of recruiting and helping players, he could have marketed Cam to any number of programs. Just so happened, he had an inside source to MSU ~ doesn't mean he didn't make contacts with UT, OU and AU. Just a thought.

Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 7/27/11 at 5:54 pm to
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doesn't mean he didn't make contacts with UT, OU and AU.
It doesn't and I wasn't arguing that there is no way that Cecil solicited other schools, just pointing out why I don't think it stretches all reason to believe he only solicited MSU.

ETA:
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Later in the interview, Rogers said he and Cecil Newton first talked after Cam Newton left the Florida Gators following the 2008 season.
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Rogers said he was involved with Cecil Newton only in regards to Mississippi State.
This post was edited on 7/27/11 at 6:00 pm
Posted by DonAUfan
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Posted on 7/27/11 at 5:57 pm to
WDE24

Agree.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 7/27/11 at 6:42 pm to
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secfan123

The problem with his arguments is he never provides real links to back up what he says. The NCAA always said this and that. The coaches all agree with this, etc.


Anyone can keep arguing by including words to back up an argument, but are they facts. You just might be right. Back it up with legitimate documentation, NCAA rule book, or something other than he said , they said, a coach said.
Posted by 19auburn49
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Posted on 7/27/11 at 7:18 pm to
If this passes, it could mean a kid's Granny could be considered an agent
Posted by lsusteve1
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Posted on 7/27/11 at 10:30 pm to
IMO.....if any family member is caught asking a University for money then you don't play....ever

Just go Pro

Cam got something from AU....it's more than coincidence that he just all of a sudden picks AU.

Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 7/27/11 at 10:49 pm to
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Cam got something from AU....it's more than coincidence that he just all of a sudden picks AU



Posted by TigerB8
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Posted on 7/28/11 at 7:46 am to
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There was never a loophole. To think a father isnt acting on behalf of his son is rather stupid. The "interpretation" was made so the season wouldnt be ruined. No one in th ncaa wanted the responsibility of declaring the leading heisman candidate on the #1 team ineligible, so they invented a loophole that wasnt there (similar to the Ohio State players- you can serve suspensions if you come back next year!). They are "closing" a loophole that never existed. Its strictly a PR move



Amen brother...!!! This x1,000,000,000

The SEC Champ is ruined, The Heisman leader is ruined, the National Championship is ruined....the entire season would be a Fake...

First, here’s an excerpt from the NCAA statement clearing Newton to play on Saturday (emphasis added):

According to facts of the case agreed upon by Auburn University and the NCAA enforcement staff, the student-athlete’s father and an owner of a scouting service worked together to actively market the student-athlete as a part of a pay-for-play scenario in return for Newton’s commitment to attend college and play football. NCAA rules (Bylaw 12.3.3) do not allow individuals or entities to represent a prospective student-athlete for compensation to a school for an athletic scholarship.

NCAA didn't want to look like fools and the SEC would remove their own candidate for National Champion.
Posted by TigerB8
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Posted on 7/28/11 at 7:48 am to
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If this passes, it could mean a kid's Granny could be considered an agent


If it doesn't, then every crooked slime ball from sea to shining sea will use this to get money for their boy. Dude admits what he did on national TV and there are no implications.
Posted by TigerB8
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Posted on 7/28/11 at 8:01 am to
Again, the NCAA and SEC are not bound by criminal law, but by any possible interpretation, the act of Cecil Newton’s “agreement to receive” funds from Mississippi State via Kenny Rogers renders Cam Newton ineligible to play for any SEC school.

The bylaw does state "receive or agree to receive" renders the athlete ineligible. But that can be interpreted 10 different ways to sunday to save all parties involved from extreme embarrassment. Looks like AU gets off scott free here
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 7/28/11 at 8:02 am to
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Dude admits what he did on national TV


I don't think I have ever seen that footage of Cecil doing that could you please link that? I would like to see it. No sarcasm here I am serious.
Posted by TigerB8
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Posted on 7/28/11 at 8:12 am to
I will see if i can find it...channel 2 in atlanta had it...
This post was edited on 7/28/11 at 8:25 am
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