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Posted on 5/25/25 at 7:48 pm to menu2
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One of Florida, Tennessee or Alabama is going to get the boot.
My National seeds alll have an average RPI + ELO under 9.
The regional host are under 16, but there is 1 too many teams..
Tennessee is safe imo..
It’s FSU or Alabama imo and I agree about 10 SEC hosts, so Alabama will maybe be a two..
Posted on 5/25/25 at 7:53 pm to BigBro
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No Florida
No Alabama
Plus UCLA from long shots
That means Florida is likely going to be in the FSU regional imo.
and Alabama might be going to USM.
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 8:03 pm to im4LSU
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It’s not
But maybe if y’all say it enough times one of the committee members might stumble upon your post and start to believe it.
Last season’s RPI #1 - #8 were exactly the 8 national seeds. But why look at actual evidence when we can hang on every word of the all knowing coonasses?
Posted on 5/25/25 at 8:47 pm to AUTiger789
I too think they value RPI more than anything. Well, that and spreading it out among conferences. They never have and probably never will let one conference have more than half the host sites.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 8:57 pm to captdalton
Lot of speculation (and its pure speculation, no one knows), that State will be sent out West for the first time since 1996.
Since the NCAA went to the Regional format, here are the times that State played West of the Mississippi
1978 - Arlington, Texas (lost to Baylor in final)
1983 - Austin, Texas (lost to Texas in final)
1996 - Palo Alto, California (finished 4th/6 teams)
1998 - College Station, Texas (defeated A&M in final)
That's it. Three trips to Texas and a trip to California.
They've been to Florida State three times (won twice), Georgia Tech twice (won once), Ohio State twice (won once), Miami, Clemson, Maine, Southwest Louisiana, Southern Miss (won) and Virginia.
Since the NCAA went to the Regional format, here are the times that State played West of the Mississippi
1978 - Arlington, Texas (lost to Baylor in final)
1983 - Austin, Texas (lost to Texas in final)
1996 - Palo Alto, California (finished 4th/6 teams)
1998 - College Station, Texas (defeated A&M in final)
That's it. Three trips to Texas and a trip to California.
They've been to Florida State three times (won twice), Georgia Tech twice (won once), Ohio State twice (won once), Miami, Clemson, Maine, Southwest Louisiana, Southern Miss (won) and Virginia.
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 8:58 pm to Bigbens42
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How does one respond to the casual denial of stone cold fact?
It’s not a “stone cold fact” that it’s weighted the heaviest. Is it a factor? Absolutely, but It isn’t cut and dry like you and your buddies are trying to make it out to be. I understand why you want it to be, it’s just not the case.
Let me ask you this, do you think a 15-15 record in the SEC is the same as a 15-15 record in the Big 10? I bet I know your answer (unless youre just going to lie to try to prove a point). So do you think the committee weighs conference records the same between conferences? I can answer that for you. No, they don’t. Different metrics carry different weight across the country and unfortunately for you in this case, you play in the toughest conference in the country which means that conference record means more than anywhere else in the country. If we just went by computer algorithms, we would just have the BCS for baseball but we don’t. We have a committee that can pull more information and interpret more from the numbers than a computer.
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Last season’s RPI #1 - #8 were exactly the 8 national seeds. But why look at actual evidence when we can hang on every word of the all knowing coonasses?
Yea this is the second time you’ve said that and I replied to you the first time.
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So then according to you, the top 8 RPI this year are going to be the top 8 seeds, right? If that isn’t your assertion, then why even bring it up? You already know that other factors go into how it plays out so you playing that angle is just being intentionally manipulative.
Disclaimer: If you think my position is that auburn won’t get or doesn’t deserve a top 8, that has never been the case. My point has been that it isn’t as cut and dry as the few of you are trying to make it out to be and that there is a human factor and level of subjectivity that goes into it as well.
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 9:15 pm to im4LSU
You seem to be contradicting yourself. Conferences are not all equal, so conference records are not equal, so the committee doesn’t pay much attention to them.
Except in this case, when you need it to matter, it does matter to them.
Everything you just described about inequality amongst conferences is exactly what RPI is supposed to do, take into account all the variances and give an accurate way to compare teams across the country. Your last post was exactly why the committee would be more likely to rely more heavily on RPI than any other metric. I may steal parts of it to explain why they seem to value RPI the most.
Except in this case, when you need it to matter, it does matter to them.
Everything you just described about inequality amongst conferences is exactly what RPI is supposed to do, take into account all the variances and give an accurate way to compare teams across the country. Your last post was exactly why the committee would be more likely to rely more heavily on RPI than any other metric. I may steal parts of it to explain why they seem to value RPI the most.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 9:15 pm to im4LSU
That’s a lot of words to deny the obvious.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 9:32 pm to captdalton
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You seem to be contradicting yourself. Conferences are not all equal, so conference records are not equal, so the committee doesn’t pay much attention to them.
Here is my opinion on the topic.
To judge two teams that are not in the same conference, you have to rely on something like RPI or ELO or KPI or something..
To judge two teams that are in the same conference, I think conference record would matter a lot. Did we all play the same schedule? No but we all did play 10 of the other 15 teams in the conference.
Going one step further, I don’t think any of this matters unless teams are fairly equal. This year it seems like there are a lot of teams with similar type resumes, not the same but similar.
In the Auburn versus LSU example, there are a lot of different things to look at..
First of all, they played head-to-head, but the series was at Auburn, but Auburn did sweep them.
Second, LSU finished two games, ahead of them in the conference, despite getting swept at Auburn. That tells me that LSU performed better than Auburn outside of their series together.
But their schedules are a little bit different and so they have to wear that too.. Auburn has a lead in the RPI and LSU has a lead in the ELO.
It is also perceived by the people that vote in the polls that LSU is better than Auburn. In fact, LSU is number one in all of the polls, or at least they were last week.
And last LSU is a blue blood with a huge following and a great baseball stadium. They probably would prefer a super regional is at LSU instead of Auburn. Right or wrong it matters.
On paper, I think they’re pretty much a push.. but I don’t see any way that LSU doesn’t get a national seed.
I believe that Auburn fans should go down the Oregon State and coastal Carolina rabbit holes to see how they measure against them..
This post was edited on 5/25/25 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 5/25/25 at 9:35 pm to BigBro
Why do you put so much weight in ELO?
Posted on 5/25/25 at 9:36 pm to Bigbens42
The NCAA explicitly spell out two metrics for consideration. Those are RPI and KPI. We are top 5 in both.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 9:37 pm to Bigbens42
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Why do you put so much weight in ELO?
Because I created it.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 9:40 pm to BigBro
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Because I created it.
As a chess player I find this hilarious.
Truth be told it’s the “belly-feel” aspect you ascribe to the committee, but again, not a metric they explicitly accept like RPI or KPI.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 9:49 pm to Bigbens42
Auburn does have an advantage that I did not know about before..
Jay Artigues: AD SE Louisiana (chair)
Scott Leykam: AD Portland.
Jon Gilbert: East Carolina University.
Michael Alford: Florida State University.
Scott Dolson: VP Indiana
Sherard Clinkscales: Indiana State
John Cohen: Auburn University
Mark Harlan: University of Utah
Matthew Hogue: Coastal Carolina
Coastal too..
Jay Artigues: AD SE Louisiana (chair)
Scott Leykam: AD Portland.
Jon Gilbert: East Carolina University.
Michael Alford: Florida State University.
Scott Dolson: VP Indiana
Sherard Clinkscales: Indiana State
John Cohen: Auburn University
Mark Harlan: University of Utah
Matthew Hogue: Coastal Carolina
Coastal too..
Posted on 5/25/25 at 9:52 pm to BigBro
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Jay Artigues: AD SE Louisiana (chair) Scott Leykam: AD Portland. Jon Gilbert: East Carolina University. Michael Alford: Florida State University. Scott Dolson: VP Indiana Sherard Clinkscales: Indiana State John Cohen: Auburn University Mark Harlan: University of Utah Matthew Hogue: Coastal Carolina
One AD that will be forced to recuse himself from the room as were being discussed.
That doesn’t bode well for the SEC hosting six of the top eight.
Which is why my introductory post mentioned “politics” lol.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 10:06 pm to captdalton
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You seem to be contradicting yourself.
Only if you didn’t understand what I said.
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Conferences are not all equal, so conference records are not equa
Which is why I said that conference records carry more/ less weight depending on the conference. Keep up. We aren’t using it to compare between conferences.
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so the committee doesn’t pay much attention to them.
ok kid quote:
Everything you just described about inequality amongst conferences is exactly what RPI is supposed to do, take into account all the variances and give an accurate way to compare teams across the country
Well if that’s the case, why do they use all of the other metrics? If this is such a clear cut way, seems like it should be easy to just do away with everything else, no?
Posted on 5/25/25 at 10:08 pm to im4LSU
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Well if that’s the case, why do they use all of the other metrics? If this is such a clear cut way, seems like it should be easy to just do away with everything else, no?
How does one explain the concept of “weighting” to someone that doesn’t care for the answer?
This post was edited on 5/25/25 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 5/25/25 at 10:10 pm to BigBro
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To judge two teams that are in the same conference, I think conference record would matter a lot. Did we all play the same schedule? No but we all did play 10 of the other 15 teams in the conference.
Thanks BigBro. So using that logic which I agree with and tried to explain would it be fair to assume that since there are six SEC teams with legitimate claims for a top eight that conference record might be a looked at a little closer than say in the Big10?
Posted on 5/25/25 at 10:12 pm to Bigbens42
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How does one explain the concept of “weighting” to someone that doesn’t care for the answer?
I’ll ask you the same question.
Only difference is I explained myself to you and you just keep deflecting.
This post was edited on 5/25/25 at 10:13 pm
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